Stock Market Share Prices Derivation
Stock Market Share Prices Derivation
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2fa

Original Poster:

37 posts

10 months

Thursday 13th March
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How are share prices calculated?

And how was it done when they were using quills and parchment (eg for Corn Exchange trading)?

Today it's all computerised presumably, but what algorithm do they use?

I miss the days of watching traders chucking bits of paper on the trading floor, to be collected and written up after the market closed.

It all feels like watching a fixed video game these days.

Will be even worse when the AI bots are fully in charge.

NowWatchThisDrive

1,112 posts

123 months

Thursday 13th March
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What do you mean exactly? There's countless ways, of varying sophistication, to determine what you think a company or anything else is worth and base your decision to buy or sell it. But fundamentally the price you see ticking on the tape is just where supply and demand are meeting at a given point in time.

Austin Prefect

1,329 posts

11 months

Friday 14th March
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It depends what you mean by calculate.

You can make an estimate as to how much a firm is worth by estimating future cash flow both ways, working out how much you would have to put into a low risk bond to get the same return, then knocking a load off to allow for the increased risk. Then divide this value by the number of shares and that gives you what the share price ought to be on your assumptions.

If you conclude that the shares currently at 105 are a bargain you try to buy some. Hopefully someone else wants to get of theirs at 105, either they expect them to go down or are taking their profit to buy something else.
Your broker says 'has anyone got any for 100? Their broker says 'I can sell some for 110' and between them they agree say 108. Which is the share price until another sale takes place.

2fa

Original Poster:

37 posts

10 months

Friday 14th March
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Sorry, didn't explain it well.

I'm interested in how ticker prices are derived.

They change every couple of seconds but what precisely do they measure, and how do they do it?

It's probably very simple, but I don't know how it's done.

Austin Prefect

1,329 posts

11 months

Friday 14th March
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2fa said:
Sorry, didn't explain it well.

I'm interested in how ticker prices are derived.

They change every couple of seconds but what precisely do they measure, and how do they do it?

It's probably very simple, but I don't know how it's done.
It's the last transaction, not really measuring anything.

LeoSayer

7,617 posts

263 months

Friday 14th March
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Share prices are set by brokers depending on the supply and demand from market participants who want to buy or sell the shares.

Market participants can be private individuals, pension funds, fund managers and other institutions.

SitCet

161 posts

160 months

Friday 14th March
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Flash Boys book probably worth reading. The answer to your question is complicated... deliberately.

Mr_Megalomaniac

1,049 posts

85 months

Saturday 15th March
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Austin Prefect said:
2fa said:
Sorry, didn't explain it well.

I'm interested in how ticker prices are derived.

They change every couple of seconds but what precisely do they measure, and how do they do it?

It's probably very simple, but I don't know how it's done.
It's the last transaction, not really measuring anything.
This. If it transacts at $100 it doesn't really matter if it was 10 shares or 10,000 from a ticker perspective, nor the frequency. Last traded is the displayed price.
This is why people doing technical analysis prefer candle charts with a volume channel, to gauge the true market depth of the observed price.

SitCet said:
Flash Boys book probably worth reading. The answer to your question is complicated... deliberately.
True, excellent book.

Derek Chevalier

4,588 posts

192 months

Saturday 15th March
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SitCet said:
Flash Boys book probably worth reading. The answer to your question is complicated... deliberately.
And maybe this

https://www.bankers-anonymous.com/book/book-review...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Flash-Boys-Insiders-Persp...

Derek Chevalier

4,588 posts

192 months

Saturday 15th March
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2fa said:
Will be even worse when the AI bots are fully in charge.
Not sure what that means, but this is from 25 years ago

https://www.ntuzov.com/Nik_Site/Niks_files/Researc...

Logging onto our computer system, I learn that we have already traded more than a million shares electronically and are ahead $400,000 in the first hour of trading

SitCet

161 posts

160 months

Thursday 27th March
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Derek Chevalier said:
SitCet said:
Flash Boys book probably worth reading. The answer to your question is complicated... deliberately.
And maybe this

https://www.bankers-anonymous.com/book/book-review...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Flash-Boys-Insiders-Persp...
Thank you, will look