Triple Murder Convict Denied Release.

[Jim H]

In the week of another triple murderers conviction on a totally different scale altogether.

I’ve always found this a very odd case, steeped in very murky dealings indeed.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14486435/...

Steele is 82 now. Loads of stuff on- line suggests his mental capacity is not great.

I remember the case well back in the day, especially after the sad death of Leah Betts. I used to follow a fairly prolific ‘underworld’ author back in the day. Who completely pushed the notion that the pair of them didn’t do it. But, he has done a massive about face now - and stresses they did do it.

[darreni]

There must be a reason that the justice secretary is looking to block his release - i'm sure i read another article eariler that suggested there is a risk of reoffending?

[Jim H]

nuyorican said:

Big fan of this case. Check out a YouTube channel called Crime Scene 2 Courtroom.

The guy's been covering it for years.

Yeah, I have followed the chap myself. However, I got a little bit lost with him when he got tied up in the Nicola Bulley case - ( and he) got lost in it.

I’m totally baffled with this case. I’m keen on true crime, Especially about this case.

I honestly don’t know what to believe? That’s why I’ve put it out there. There are so many rumours .

I find it strange that the recent current justice secretary is getting involved. Almost like it’s an ongoing thing that has to be suppressed.

After all this is an 82 year old man? And the crime happened 30 years ago. To some particularly unpleasant individuals - which has been established.

Occams Razor suggests the pair of th0em did do it.

However questions remain.

[fly by wire]

Jim H said:

In the week of another triple murderers conviction on a totally different scale altogether.

I’ve always found this a very odd case, steeped in very murky dealings indeed.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14486435/...

Steele is 82 now. Loads of stuff on- line suggests his mental capacity is not great.

I remember the case well back in the day, especially after the sad death of Leah Betts. I used to follow a fairly prolific ‘underworld’ author back in the day. Who completely pushed the notion that the pair of them didn’t do it. But, he has done a massive about face now - and stresses they did do it.

Was that Bernard O'Mahoney? He covered the case in his tv gangster series and intimated that Steele and Whomes were not the ones who carried out the killings but were set up by the guy who turned QE claiming he was the getaway driver.

[williamp]

I remember years ago someone on here said they had bought a Range Rover...

It turned out to be THAT Range Rover!

[fly by wire]

nuyorican said:

Although a check on the MOT site says it was last tested in 2009. So was around for a long time after the murders weirdly.

F424 NPE

[Jim H]

fly by wire said:

Jim H said:

In the week of another triple murderers conviction on a totally different scale altogether.

I’ve always found this a very odd case, steeped in very murky dealings indeed.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14486435/...

Steele is 82 now. Loads of stuff on- line suggests his mental capacity is not great.

I remember the case well back in the day, especially after the sad death of Leah Betts. I used to follow a fairly prolific ‘underworld’ author back in the day. Who completely pushed the notion that the pair of them didn’t do it. But, he has done a massive about face now - and stresses they did do it.

Was that Bernard O'Mahoney? He covered the case in his tv gangster series and intimated that Steele and Whomes were not the ones who carried out the killings but were set up by the guy who turned QE claiming he was the getaway driver.

Yeah it was the Bernard O’Mahoney books. He has written some good ones - Hate Land is excellent.

But, on this subject he left me feeling a bit miffed as he had, for years put forward some fairly compelling evidence that threw a lot of doubt on their convictions. A few years later wrote that he made it all up and they were guilty as sin. Mind he does come across as a bit of a divisive character (BOM).

IIRC mobile phone records placed the two (Whomes and Steele) very close to the murder scene, I also remember that this was one of the earliest cases where such evidence was used in court. Mind, I could be wrong on that?

I think Steele also had a bit of a motive as he had some involvement with Pat Tate’s girlfriend. As others have said over the last few decades a lot more information has come out.

Whether the doggedness of authorities to keep him locked up is purely down to Steele’s refusal to admit guilt (he has always maintained his innocence). Or there is more at play here?

[Earthdweller]

I don't think an 82 year old in declining health would likely be much of a threat to society

I'd imagine he'd swop a publicly funded prison cell for a publicly funded care home

Without doubt it was a very high profile case at the time though

[fly by wire]

Jim H said:

Yeah it was the Bernard O’Mahoney books. He has written some good ones - Hate Land is excellent.

But, on this subject he left me feeling a bit miffed as he had, for years put forward some fairly compelling evidence that threw a lot of doubt on their convictions. A few years later wrote that he made it all up and they were guilty as sin. Mind he does come across as a bit of a divisive character (BOM).

IIRC mobile phone records placed the two (Whomes and Steele) very close to the murder scene, I also remember that this was one of the earliest cases where such evidence was used in court. Mind, I could be wrong on that?

I think Steele also had a bit of a motive as he had some involvement with Pat Tate’s girlfriend. As others have said over the last few decades a lot more information has come out.

Whether the doggedness of authorities to keep him locked up is purely down to Steele’s refusal to admit guilt (he has always maintained his innocence). Or there is more at play here?

O'Mahoney was a big cheese in the Essex club scene in the 90's so whether he has a hidden motive in the case who knows? He said himself he knew all those involved.

[Jim H]

fly by wire said:

Jim H said:

Yeah it was the Bernard O’Mahoney books. He has written some good ones - Hate Land is excellent.

But, on this subject he left me feeling a bit miffed as he had, for years put forward some fairly compelling evidence that threw a lot of doubt on their convictions. A few years later wrote that he made it all up and they were guilty as sin. Mind he does come across as a bit of a divisive character (BOM).

IIRC mobile phone records placed the two (Whomes and Steele) very close to the murder scene, I also remember that this was one of the earliest cases where such evidence was used in court. Mind, I could be wrong on that?

I think Steele also had a bit of a motive as he had some involvement with Pat Tate’s girlfriend. As others have said over the last few decades a lot more information has come out.

Whether the doggedness of authorities to keep him locked up is purely down to Steele’s refusal to admit guilt (he has always maintained his innocence). Or there is more at play here?

O'Mahoney was a big cheese in the Essex club scene in the 90's so whether he has a hidden motive in the case who knows? He said himself he knew all those involved.

He worked on the door at Raquels (club where Leah Betts was present on the night of her death) I think he (BOM) had ejected her earlier in the night.

BOM was employed as security by Tony Tucker, one of the victims in the triple murder.