Prost considering quitting social media
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That he is receiving online hate isn't exactly a surprise after the way he was portrayed in Senna (2010) and on the Netflix serialisation.
Bit of a sad state of affairs really. The serialisation in particular used massive poetic licence and the subject is a competitive sport with events that happened 30 years ago.
Prost was no saint, but people should really be reminded that Senna certainly wasn't either - a fact that is missed out from a lot of depiction of his life.
In no way am I saying it is his fault, but I have noticed Manish Pandey playing up his dislike of Prost on the Chris Harris podcast recently; sending him up as a comedy villain or not, I think this portrayal of Senna as a god-like figure isn't healthy and inevitably leads to the Senna good/Prost bad schtick
Edited by john_1983 on Monday 10th March 16:40
The big problem with this is that I would guess the vast majority of Senna fan boys caught the fag end of his career or none at all. And they are basing all of this on a couple of very biased showes made about Ayrton.
Interestingly the real relationship matured to a very high level once Alain retired and in several interviews you will hear Alain admitting that they became incredibly close in that time, hours and hours on the phone, revealing all sorts of things to him that he will NEVER reveal, so obviously deeply personal.
This is why Alain gets so annoyed by this, these shows are very slanted to Alain, for obvious reasons sure, but the way idiots like Bisgagnano start to cry and the other guys in the folm are almost in worship for Ayrton shows you what kind of film it was, it was far too much against ALain.
Yes, he and Balestre were close and I am sure Alain used that to his advantage, if the President was Brazilian do you not think Ayrton would have done the same?
The film for sure was very revealing, Alain did not like it as it failed to show the other side, he was at his funeral FFS, why would he do that in such a time if there was nothing but love between them by the end? They show that but fail to really explain the latter stages of their friendship.
If you listen to Alain he would not change a thing about it, it defined him as a champion and Ayrton as one, they both came it differently but without each other tat era would ahve been far duller, it was the last true and fully real rivalry motorsport had really..
Much the same as Rush where the friendship between James and Niki was rather played down, they were actually very good friends and were often seen talking to each other, none of that is evident.
Interestingly the real relationship matured to a very high level once Alain retired and in several interviews you will hear Alain admitting that they became incredibly close in that time, hours and hours on the phone, revealing all sorts of things to him that he will NEVER reveal, so obviously deeply personal.
This is why Alain gets so annoyed by this, these shows are very slanted to Alain, for obvious reasons sure, but the way idiots like Bisgagnano start to cry and the other guys in the folm are almost in worship for Ayrton shows you what kind of film it was, it was far too much against ALain.
Yes, he and Balestre were close and I am sure Alain used that to his advantage, if the President was Brazilian do you not think Ayrton would have done the same?
The film for sure was very revealing, Alain did not like it as it failed to show the other side, he was at his funeral FFS, why would he do that in such a time if there was nothing but love between them by the end? They show that but fail to really explain the latter stages of their friendship.
If you listen to Alain he would not change a thing about it, it defined him as a champion and Ayrton as one, they both came it differently but without each other tat era would ahve been far duller, it was the last true and fully real rivalry motorsport had really..
Much the same as Rush where the friendship between James and Niki was rather played down, they were actually very good friends and were often seen talking to each other, none of that is evident.
bergclimber34 said:
The big problem with this is that I would guess the vast majority of Senna fan boys caught the fag end of his career or none at all. And they are basing all of this on a couple of very biased showes made about Ayrton.
Interestingly the real relationship matured to a very high level once Alain retired and in several interviews you will hear Alain admitting that they became incredibly close in that time, hours and hours on the phone, revealing all sorts of things to him that he will NEVER reveal, so obviously deeply personal.
This is why Alain gets so annoyed by this, these shows are very slanted to Alain, for obvious reasons sure, but the way idiots like Bisgagnano start to cry and the other guys in the folm are almost in worship for Ayrton shows you what kind of film it was, it was far too much against ALain.
Yes, he and Balestre were close and I am sure Alain used that to his advantage, if the President was Brazilian do you not think Ayrton would have done the same?
The film for sure was very revealing, Alain did not like it as it failed to show the other side, he was at his funeral FFS, why would he do that in such a time if there was nothing but love between them by the end? They show that but fail to really explain the latter stages of their friendship.
If you listen to Alain he would not change a thing about it, it defined him as a champion and Ayrton as one, they both came it differently but without each other tat era would ahve been far duller, it was the last true and fully real rivalry motorsport had really..
Much the same as Rush where the friendship between James and Niki was rather played down, they were actually very good friends and were often seen talking to each other, none of that is evident.
Stopped reading right there. It should have been written in crayon.Interestingly the real relationship matured to a very high level once Alain retired and in several interviews you will hear Alain admitting that they became incredibly close in that time, hours and hours on the phone, revealing all sorts of things to him that he will NEVER reveal, so obviously deeply personal.
This is why Alain gets so annoyed by this, these shows are very slanted to Alain, for obvious reasons sure, but the way idiots like Bisgagnano start to cry and the other guys in the folm are almost in worship for Ayrton shows you what kind of film it was, it was far too much against ALain.
Yes, he and Balestre were close and I am sure Alain used that to his advantage, if the President was Brazilian do you not think Ayrton would have done the same?
The film for sure was very revealing, Alain did not like it as it failed to show the other side, he was at his funeral FFS, why would he do that in such a time if there was nothing but love between them by the end? They show that but fail to really explain the latter stages of their friendship.
If you listen to Alain he would not change a thing about it, it defined him as a champion and Ayrton as one, they both came it differently but without each other tat era would ahve been far duller, it was the last true and fully real rivalry motorsport had really..
Much the same as Rush where the friendship between James and Niki was rather played down, they were actually very good friends and were often seen talking to each other, none of that is evident.
Something needs to be done about this kind of thing. It's the same with the crown. It's not a documentary and the Makers aren't interested in the truth they are interested in viewing figures. I'm a fan of senna first but prost shouldn't be suffering the way he sounds like he is. He's not hitler for God's sake.
bergclimber34 said:
If you ever spend any time reading posts anywhere about this,m you would understand what I mean.
I probably do understand what you mean, but I often stop reading when fans are described as you did. It is jut as childish as those that have taken to social media to attack Prost personally online. I have the same feeling for those that attacked Timo Glock for not doing anything in Brazil, 2008.It is fair, I think, to say pretty much anything on these pages, but in person and on their own personal pages, a certain decorum should be upheld so that a two-way conversation can be had.
It is genuinely beyond me why the new breed of F1 fan is so childlshly tribal that they feel the need to abuse drivers who clash with their favourite, literally or metaphorically . Who bloody cares ? I've watched motor racing - including but not limited to F1 - for fifty years and I've never really cared who wins . preferring a good race, regardless of victor . Of course I like some drivers more than others but lose no sleep if they don't win.
It was symptomatic of the current malaise that the recent daft series on Senna portrayed the 80s British F3 audience as braying , union flag waving thugs , when the reality was very different - a bunch of friendly enthusiasts enjoying spotting the next star. I guess it's the Drive to Survive effect.
As for Pandey, he sounds a decent enough bloke but he sees everything through a Senna prism and (just like a couple of other popular podcasters) knows much more about his favourite driver than the sport itself .
It was symptomatic of the current malaise that the recent daft series on Senna portrayed the 80s British F3 audience as braying , union flag waving thugs , when the reality was very different - a bunch of friendly enthusiasts enjoying spotting the next star. I guess it's the Drive to Survive effect.
As for Pandey, he sounds a decent enough bloke but he sees everything through a Senna prism and (just like a couple of other popular podcasters) knows much more about his favourite driver than the sport itself .
Muzzer79 said:
I think Pandey goes to sleep having first knelt at his Senna altar..........
Yeah. I like him on the Chris Harris podcast, but he gives the impression that his massively one-sided film reflects the way he really sees the Senna/Prost situation. He seems to think Prost was an untrustworthy character and Senna some kind of saint. A VERY long way from reality.It's funny, at the time I saw things very clearly through a "Senna good - Prost bad" lens. However, I was 11 when Senna died, and coming from a family with no interest in motorsport, was left to pretty much form my own opinions about things (largely influenced by the TV broadcasts and mainstream newspaper articles of the time).
Fortunately, since then I've matured a bit (exact amount does depend on who you ask!
), and can look back on it as an adult and see and appreciate both Ayrton and Alain for everything that they were and not the one dimensional caricatures that were lazily thrown about by the media. I'm still a big Ayrton Senna fan, but not to the detriment of appreciating Prost for his excellent career too.
Both Alain and Ayrton played their games, and drove fast cars exceptionally well. Sometimes Prost won, sometimes Senna won, but the real winners were the fans who got to see these two great champions compete against each other at the very peak of their powers.
It's sad that certain vocal minorities like to shout loudly and reach for the pitchforks before acquainting themselves with the full facts of the matter. No F1 driver is without blemish ... and while some are better than others (or better at putting on the right front to the outside world), it seems that the combination of risk and competition suits a certain type of personality who is willing to go an awful long way in order to win.
Prost should be admired and respecting as one of the true greats of the sport, not shouted down because of some weird personality cult 30+ years after the event.
Fortunately, since then I've matured a bit (exact amount does depend on who you ask!
), and can look back on it as an adult and see and appreciate both Ayrton and Alain for everything that they were and not the one dimensional caricatures that were lazily thrown about by the media. I'm still a big Ayrton Senna fan, but not to the detriment of appreciating Prost for his excellent career too.Both Alain and Ayrton played their games, and drove fast cars exceptionally well. Sometimes Prost won, sometimes Senna won, but the real winners were the fans who got to see these two great champions compete against each other at the very peak of their powers.
It's sad that certain vocal minorities like to shout loudly and reach for the pitchforks before acquainting themselves with the full facts of the matter. No F1 driver is without blemish ... and while some are better than others (or better at putting on the right front to the outside world), it seems that the combination of risk and competition suits a certain type of personality who is willing to go an awful long way in order to win.
Prost should be admired and respecting as one of the true greats of the sport, not shouted down because of some weird personality cult 30+ years after the event.
don't blame Alain tbh ...considering doing the same- as most platforms have all just become petty hate machines
& there are only 2 things that Alain lacked compared to Senna ...charisma out of the car & flamboyance in it, well 3 if you also add Senna's canonisation (i don't class wet weather performance, as he was very good until Pironi's death)
but Alain was ridiculously good ...beat 5 WDC class team mates (Lauda (1985); Rosberg (1986); Senna (1989); Mansell (1990); Hill (1993) & only 12.5 pts from 8 titles, so for me he is equal no.1 with Senna
& i say that as a massive Senna fan
& there are only 2 things that Alain lacked compared to Senna ...charisma out of the car & flamboyance in it, well 3 if you also add Senna's canonisation (i don't class wet weather performance, as he was very good until Pironi's death)
but Alain was ridiculously good ...beat 5 WDC class team mates (Lauda (1985); Rosberg (1986); Senna (1989); Mansell (1990); Hill (1993) & only 12.5 pts from 8 titles, so for me he is equal no.1 with Senna
& i say that as a massive Senna fan
Some interesting takes.
For me making it look dull as Prost and Clark did is the biggest skill of all, in all the time I saw Prost race I hardly ever saw him crash, have an accident or even a slide.
His biggest failings were his lack of bravery in some ways, he was very timid in traffic, and was next to useless in the wet towards the end of his career. He was possibly too risk averse.
But the politics, fair play, if it is a skill you have use it, he was probably faster in race conditions than Ayrton in their McLAren days together, but was too timid and slow in qualifying to exploit it, and this also showed Ayrton the way.
The best way I can describe watching Alain live especially on telly was you forgot about him, especially in 85/6/7. Mansell or PIquet would be leading or Senna in the Lotus, then about lap 30 across the bottom of the screen you would see "Prost Fastest lap.
All the others would cack themselves, cars would retire, blow up, tyres would go off and there would be the Professor with his huge helmet and slightly odd style you could see his beak before you saw his eyes!! What a man.
He was boring, but he was fairly truthful to the press, he got shafted several times as a result!!
Finally a point few know is he went to Dennis with the idea of taking Ayrton, he OK'd and it and even suggested it when they put forward Piquet, Alain said "why not Ayrton? Another point lost on the fanboiys sorry
For me making it look dull as Prost and Clark did is the biggest skill of all, in all the time I saw Prost race I hardly ever saw him crash, have an accident or even a slide.
His biggest failings were his lack of bravery in some ways, he was very timid in traffic, and was next to useless in the wet towards the end of his career. He was possibly too risk averse.
But the politics, fair play, if it is a skill you have use it, he was probably faster in race conditions than Ayrton in their McLAren days together, but was too timid and slow in qualifying to exploit it, and this also showed Ayrton the way.
The best way I can describe watching Alain live especially on telly was you forgot about him, especially in 85/6/7. Mansell or PIquet would be leading or Senna in the Lotus, then about lap 30 across the bottom of the screen you would see "Prost Fastest lap.
All the others would cack themselves, cars would retire, blow up, tyres would go off and there would be the Professor with his huge helmet and slightly odd style you could see his beak before you saw his eyes!! What a man.
He was boring, but he was fairly truthful to the press, he got shafted several times as a result!!
Finally a point few know is he went to Dennis with the idea of taking Ayrton, he OK'd and it and even suggested it when they put forward Piquet, Alain said "why not Ayrton? Another point lost on the fanboiys sorry
Indeed - I remember once seeing him spin in untimed practice at Silverstone in his Renault days and digging my mate in the ribs so he'd see the rarest sight in F1. He was a smart cookie, playing every card he had and I remember how he got under Mansell's skin**. That was the time when someone taught Nigel a big new word - 'polemics'- which he kept muttering for the rest of his career. But Jeez, this was the man who fell out with Mario Andretti - and that is a very rare feat .
- in an echo of that period that is exactly what Nico Rosberg succeeded in doing with Lewis in 2016 (bloody hell, 9 years ago already !)
Edited by coppice on Wednesday 12th March 07:07
2 things:
1. It’s fairly widely known that Prost suggested Senna to Ron in conversation. Nigel Roebuck has mentioned it enough times!
2. Prost and Senna agreed about one during their worst years, they both DETESTED Balestre. In return Balestre detested them both back. There was no friendship, best buddies, back slapping between JMB and Prost, they loathed each other. It was a mutually bitter relationship between the 3 of them.
Ppl forget just how much the ousting of JMB by Max and Bernie was celebrated by everybody! It was an orchestrated campaign to get rid of JMB and Prost was a v loud voice in that campaign.
1. It’s fairly widely known that Prost suggested Senna to Ron in conversation. Nigel Roebuck has mentioned it enough times!
2. Prost and Senna agreed about one during their worst years, they both DETESTED Balestre. In return Balestre detested them both back. There was no friendship, best buddies, back slapping between JMB and Prost, they loathed each other. It was a mutually bitter relationship between the 3 of them.
Ppl forget just how much the ousting of JMB by Max and Bernie was celebrated by everybody! It was an orchestrated campaign to get rid of JMB and Prost was a v loud voice in that campaign.
The beatification of Senna, at least as a driver, irritates me. He was one of the greatest, but he was dangerous, and at a time when cars were by no means safe. Prost was no saint, but out of the two, I know which was cleaner.
The books and films, some purporting to be accurate portrayals of him, fan the flames. There's no doubt about his positive contribution to the poor in his home town, and I admire him for that, but he had feet of clay. I reckoned Clark, and would argue he was the best I've ever seen, but I'm sure he'd have been cancelled in today's online world.
It's a shame when the aggressive but anonymous attack anyone, forcing them to change their habits, especially for someone like Prost.
The books and films, some purporting to be accurate portrayals of him, fan the flames. There's no doubt about his positive contribution to the poor in his home town, and I admire him for that, but he had feet of clay. I reckoned Clark, and would argue he was the best I've ever seen, but I'm sure he'd have been cancelled in today's online world.
It's a shame when the aggressive but anonymous attack anyone, forcing them to change their habits, especially for someone like Prost.
It's the same mentality at work as those social media retards who delighted in calling Lando "No-Wins". A generation ago we urged on drivers like Mansell. Watson, Button, Herbert and Coulthard to score their first win, and sympathised with Warwick , Brundle et al for never quite getting there.
And now we have incel misfits who've never driven anything faster than their ten year old Civic name calling hugely talented drivers. It is shameful.
And now we have incel misfits who've never driven anything faster than their ten year old Civic name calling hugely talented drivers. It is shameful.
coppice said:
It's the same mentality at work as those social media retards who delighted in calling Lando "No-Wins". A generation ago we urged on drivers like Mansell. Watson, Button, Herbert and Coulthard to score their first win, and sympathised with Warwick , Brundle et al for never quite getting there.
And now we have incel misfits who've never driven anything faster than their ten year old Civic name calling hugely talented drivers. It is shameful.
Yeah, it's really frustrating. Social media seems mostly to either turn people into nutters or be populated by nutters. Even YouTube comments are mostly attempts to start an argument. 'Fraudstappen' 'Lulu', No-wins', etc. It's just so stupid. And now we have incel misfits who've never driven anything faster than their ten year old Civic name calling hugely talented drivers. It is shameful.
coppice said:
It's the same mentality at work as those social media retards who delighted in calling Lando "No-Wins". A generation ago we urged on drivers like Mansell. Watson, Button, Herbert and Coulthard to score their first win, and sympathised with Warwick , Brundle et al for never quite getting there.
And now we have incel misfits who've never driven anything faster than their ten year old Civic name calling hugely talented drivers. It is shameful.
We used to cheer them on to get their first point ! It does seem the trend these days to constantly belittle others, especially celebs. Whatever happened to #BeNice ?And now we have incel misfits who've never driven anything faster than their ten year old Civic name calling hugely talented drivers. It is shameful.
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