Education is on the up and we are saved - teeth brushing

[Murph7355]

The erudite Stephen Kinnock, once he had finished with the "14yrs of Tory govt" (can this be banned from the robots in govt now please. We get it. It's not accurate. But we are all more interested in what YOU are going to do to ensure the next 14yrs isn't worse), has let us know teachers will now be teaching kids to brush their teeth.

Huzzah! £3 saved for every £1 spent apparently (no workings given).

Now, I thought teachers were already incredibly stretched. Already having to teach kids to wipe their arses. Feed them etc. When are they going to have time to teach them how to read or count? (Stephen, I'm sure your "it's only 7mins" will be very warm comfort).

Are none of these geniuses thinking hang on. We have material numbers of kids going to school unfed, skids galore and looking like Shane MacGowan, maybe there's a root (sic) cause challenge here that needs addressing....

Idiots.

[boyse7en]

Sorry, who are the idiots?

The parents failing to reach basic life skills to their kids?
The teachers having to take up the slack?
Kinnock, for actually doing something about the problem?

[rdjohn]

Being an older subscriber, this looks like the wheel has gone full circle.

In infant school, as well as a free bottle of milk to build calcium, we had annual visit from the dentist for checkups who then provided us with a small tube of Colgate. When my younger brother was there, it was a whole propaganda setup calle “Ivory Castles”. A Tufty Club approach to teeth.

I think during WW2 recruitment it had been found that low Calcium caused problems from flat feet to soldiering downtime with tooth extractions etc. Of course Mrs T famously dumped the free milk experiment.

It does make you wonder, as we edge towards WW3, whether similar wisdom will reappear.

[tangerine_sedge]

Murph7355 said:

The erudite Stephen Kinnock, once he had finished with the "14yrs of Tory govt" (can this be banned from the robots in govt now please. We get it. It's not accurate. But we are all more interested in what YOU are going to do to ensure the next 14yrs isn't worse), has let us know teachers will now be teaching kids to brush their teeth.

Huzzah! £3 saved for every £1 spent apparently (no workings given).

Now, I thought teachers were already incredibly stretched. Already having to teach kids to wipe their arses. Feed them etc. When are they going to have time to teach them how to read or count? (Stephen, I'm sure your "it's only 7mins" will be very warm comfort).

Are none of these geniuses thinking hang on. We have material numbers of kids going to school unfed, skids galore and looking like Shane MacGowan, maybe there's a root (sic) cause challenge here that needs addressing....

Idiots.

Wishy washy liberals spending my tax money on education. They should just implement a teeth removal strategy for all publicly educated children, preferably implemented through corporal punishment. That'll remove government waste and enable me to pay reduced taxes. Grrrrr!!!!! /sarcasm

[MC Bodge]

It sounds like a good idea to me.

Are the idiots opposed to it?

[Xenoous]

Hang on. Is teaching kids how to brush their teeth a bad thing now? I think it's a great thing. Parents of course should be teaching their kids the importance of brushing their teeth, but absolutely no issue with it being taught in schools.

[boyse7en]

Xenoous said:

Hang on. Is teaching kids how to brush their teeth a bad thing now? I think it's a great thing. Parents of course should be teaching their kids the importance of brushing their teeth, but absolutely no issue with it being taught in schools.

No one's sure what the problem with this idea is. The OP has gone AWOL and hasn't clarified why he is getting so frothy about oral hygiene.
Maybe teeth are "woke" now, or something

[Pitre]

Wtf is left for feckless parents to teach their kids? Kids arrive at school in nappies, with bad teeth, bad language and poor diets.

Jeezus wept.

[bitchstewie]

MC Bodge said:

It sounds like a good idea to me.

Are the idiots opposed to it?

It's one of those where you can and should blame the parents but on a purely pragmatic level do you sit back and watch kids teeth rot?

[Xenoous]

Pitre said:

Wtf is left for feckless parents to teach their kids? Kids arrive at school in nappies, with bad teeth, bad language and poor diets.

Jeezus wept.

My kids are 3.5 and 2 years old. Both brush their own teeth (we supervise and make sure it's done properly, of course). One is completely out of nappies and the other is almost completely potty trained. We have never sworn in front of them and they eat well.

I still have no issue with kids being shown how to brush their teeth. Teaching kids basic life skills should be encouraged, rather than saying 'PaReNtS sHoUlD dO iT!', why not accept that perhaps both is good?

[E63eeeeee...]

boyse7en said:

Xenoous said:

Hang on. Is teaching kids how to brush their teeth a bad thing now? I think it's a great thing. Parents of course should be teaching their kids the importance of brushing their teeth, but absolutely no issue with it being taught in schools.

No one's sure what the problem with this idea is. The OP has gone AWOL and hasn't clarified why he is getting so frothy about oral hygiene.
Maybe teeth are "woke" now, or something

I think the problem is grrr Labour.

I'm fairly sure we used to have tooth brushing lessons at school, and we regularly had to take those disclosing tablets that made any plaque go orange or whatever. This just seems like a sensible idea, prevention being generally much cheaper than treatment.

[Tom8]

Neil Pillock. Yet another hereditary labour MP, but remember kids, hereditary peers are bad.

Why are we constantly spending time and wasting money on the underclasses. When will we stop treating them as "vulnerable" when they are just feckless wasters. Forcing schools to do ever more basic parenting is just idiotic. So many issues stem from this pandering to their "needs" when in reality they need gripping.

[Mammasaid]

Tom8 said:

Neil Pillock. Yet another hereditary labour MP, but remember kids, hereditary peers are bad.

Why are we constantly spending time and wasting money on the underclasses. When will we stop treating them as "vulnerable" when they are just feckless wasters. Forcing schools to do ever more basic parenting is just idiotic. So many issues stem from this pandering to their "needs" when in reality they need gripping.

Because perhaps, maybe perhaps, giving those born without a silver spoon in their mouth, assistance whilst young, will bear fruit later on in their lives.

[Xenoous]

E63eeeeee... said:

I think the problem is grrr Labour.

I'm fairly sure we used to have tooth brushing lessons at school, and we regularly had to take those disclosing tablets that made any plaque go orange or whatever. This just seems like a sensible idea, prevention being generally much cheaper than treatment.

Maybe. Don't get me wrong, I am not Labour's biggest fan right now. In-fact I rather despise a lot of the party. However... This is fine. It's a non-issue. I'm surprised this is actually news worthy.

Pandering to the "underclass" is indeed stupid, but take away that link which was mentioned in the original statement, then teaching kids how to brush their teeth (in conjunction with parents!) just seems like a sensible thing to do.

[Tom8]

Mammasaid said:

Tom8 said:

Neil Pillock. Yet another hereditary labour MP, but remember kids, hereditary peers are bad.

Why are we constantly spending time and wasting money on the underclasses. When will we stop treating them as "vulnerable" when they are just feckless wasters. Forcing schools to do ever more basic parenting is just idiotic. So many issues stem from this pandering to their "needs" when in reality they need gripping.

Because perhaps, maybe perhaps, giving those born without a silver spoon in their mouth, assistance whilst young, will bear fruit later on in their lives.

You do not need a silver spoon to do the basics in life. How much hand holding do you need?

[Mammasaid]

Tom8 said:

You do not need a silver spoon to do the basics in life. How much hand holding do you need?

I presume you'd prefer to do nothing and then let them become a drain on society when older.

Peasant, know thy place!

[Bluevanman]

I seem to remember teachers doing this in the 60's

[Tom8]

Mammasaid said:

Tom8 said:

You do not need a silver spoon to do the basics in life. How much hand holding do you need?

I presume you'd prefer to do nothing and then let them become a drain on society when older.

Peasant, know thy place!

And where does it end? Next go out and do their shopping for them, then clean "their" houses for them etc. etc. They are a drain on society from the day Kayden shagged Chardonnay in the alley behind the pub. We have a "well-fare" system that succumbs to every demand placed on it and is wholly inappropriate and unaffordable and does not fix issues. If anything workhouses would be a better option and then learn to live before being released into civilised society.

[RSTurboPaul]

Tom8 said:

Mammasaid said:

Tom8 said:

You do not need a silver spoon to do the basics in life. How much hand holding do you need?

I presume you'd prefer to do nothing and then let them become a drain on society when older.

Peasant, know thy place!

And where does it end? Next go out and do their shopping for them, then clean "their" houses for them etc. etc. They are a drain on society from the day Kayden shagged Chardonnay in the alley behind the pub. We have a "well-fare" system that succumbs to every demand placed on it and is wholly inappropriate and unaffordable and does not fix issues. If anything workhouses would be a better option and then learn to live before being released into civilised society.

Does a child have more or less chance of falling into the habits of the parents if they are left entirely to the parents?

[John D.]

boyse7en said:

Sorry, who are the idiots?

The parents failing to reach basic life skills to their kids?
The teachers having to take up the slack?
Kinnock, for actually doing something about the problem?

Quite.