Does straight line acceleration matter?
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Aston Martin V12 Vantage Roadster 690 horsepower.
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Some sort of Chinese sports car, cheekily using a British name.
https://youtu.be/2sM23FsxrLQ?si=FQvGi1j4TEkzIajc
EDIT
The men are looking older now, but I think they might be the same presenters who filmed a brilliant video about two 2009 V8 Vantages.
Edited by Jon39 on Friday 28th February 08:56
Drag times do seem to be an EV selling point - not that the sort of people who buy them ever go very fast it seems.
The MG Cyberster is the first EV I've found to be worth a second look, but it's not an Aston and the interior is a random jumble. That said, at £55-60K you could have four of them for the price of one Aston so I'll file it as 'interesting'.
The MG Cyberster is the first EV I've found to be worth a second look, but it's not an Aston and the interior is a random jumble. That said, at £55-60K you could have four of them for the price of one Aston so I'll file it as 'interesting'.
It seems to matter to You Tubers and motoring hacks however, when being asked about your car, how many times does the 0-60 time crop up? quite often as it's seen as a measure of performance but most don't recognise that it's more about how the car makes you feel, how you connect with it.
Re the Cyberster .... It's atrocious, the Noddy in Toy Town pointy indicators, the haphazard interior, I cannot find one redeeming feature on that car. These electric cars are 'point & press' driving to me, devoid of any character whatsoever.
Re the Cyberster .... It's atrocious, the Noddy in Toy Town pointy indicators, the haphazard interior, I cannot find one redeeming feature on that car. These electric cars are 'point & press' driving to me, devoid of any character whatsoever.
For me it depends what you are looking for in your "hit" for such cars. Some enjoy showing off to their mates how fast their EV accelerates. Others enjoy for feel of the interior and evocative engine sound building up revs.
If the latter then the Aston Martin has it. The feel of putting your foot down while on the move (so not standing start), listening to the revs build up with sufficient torque to press the small of your back.
If the latter then the Aston Martin has it. The feel of putting your foot down while on the move (so not standing start), listening to the revs build up with sufficient torque to press the small of your back.
Always been an interesting topic to me, how most car enthusiasts (especially in the US) are obsessed with straight line performance. On car sites I visit there is always active topics about 0-60 times, qtr mile, etc. Unfortunate when there are so many miles of good GT roads in the US.
In my lifetime, I was obsessed with it too up until about age 19, where I already had lost my license twice for street racing; then I grew up.
Now, at my retirement age and so much a car guy and in love with GTs, I cannot even quote the 0-60 times of the last 5 cars I've owned, which includes:
Corvette C6
Bentley Continental GT
Corvette C8
AMG GTS
Aston Martin DB11 V12
In my long lifetime I've seen horrific accidents where innocent people have been killed by irresponsible drivers who are obsessed with straight line street racing where it is not always the faster car, but the driver who is more reckless and willing to take more dangerous risks on the street.
In my lifetime, I was obsessed with it too up until about age 19, where I already had lost my license twice for street racing; then I grew up.
Now, at my retirement age and so much a car guy and in love with GTs, I cannot even quote the 0-60 times of the last 5 cars I've owned, which includes:
Corvette C6
Bentley Continental GT
Corvette C8
AMG GTS
Aston Martin DB11 V12
In my long lifetime I've seen horrific accidents where innocent people have been killed by irresponsible drivers who are obsessed with straight line street racing where it is not always the faster car, but the driver who is more reckless and willing to take more dangerous risks on the street.
skhannes said:
Now, at my retirement age and so much a car guy and in love with GTs, I cannot even quote the 0-60 times of the last 5 cars I've owned, which includes:
Corvette C6
Bentley Continental GT
Corvette C8
AMG GTS
Aston Martin DB11 V12
That's because they have 'sufficient' Corvette C6
Bentley Continental GT
Corvette C8
AMG GTS
Aston Martin DB11 V12
You might not enjoy a car that took 15 secs to get to 60mph.
I have a 4.3 Vantage. My son has a Volvo EX30. The Volvo will absolutely obliterate the Aston from a standing start, or even a rolling start below the NSL. The Volvo acceleration is other-worldly, and frankly, a bit nausea-inducing for passengers. And that’s with only 400-ish bhp. However, I know which I’d rather have…
To be fair, many hot hatches will beat my Aston off the line, especially if they have 4WD, but I just don’t care - it’s not why I bought it.
To be fair, many hot hatches will beat my Aston off the line, especially if they have 4WD, but I just don’t care - it’s not why I bought it.
When you have an Aston Martin, no it doesn't, it never bothered me when I had one. It's more the sense of occasion. In fact now I have a McLaren I'm exact same as often youngsters in hot hatch whatever etc challenge me and I wave them past as I've nothing to prove. I took a mate out once and he questioned me, 'why do you drive this car so slowly'? To which I replied, 'So more people can see me in it'. Sad maybe, but hope you get my drift.
ETA; EV to me = shyte. Anything Chinese = shyte.
ETA; EV to me = shyte. Anything Chinese = shyte.
BiggaJ said:
It seems to matter to You Tubers and motoring hacks however, when being asked about your car, how many times does the 0-60 time crop up? quite often as it's seen as a measure of performance but most don't recognise that it's more about how the car makes you feel, how you connect with it.
Re the Cyberster .... It's atrocious, the Noddy in Toy Town pointy indicators, the haphazard interior, I cannot find one redeeming feature on that car. These electric cars are 'point & press' driving to me, devoid of any character whatsoever.
What nonsense ref the MG - it is a decent car and the first real EV convertible . Re the Cyberster .... It's atrocious, the Noddy in Toy Town pointy indicators, the haphazard interior, I cannot find one redeeming feature on that car. These electric cars are 'point & press' driving to me, devoid of any character whatsoever.
skhannes said:
Always been an interesting topic to me, how most car enthusiasts (especially in the US) are obsessed with straight line performance. On car sites I visit there is always active topics about 0-60 times, qtr mile, etc. Unfortunate when there are so many miles of good GT roads in the US.
In my lifetime, I was obsessed with it too up until about age 19, where I already had lost my license twice for street racing; then I grew up.
Now, at my retirement age and so much a car guy and in love with GTs, I cannot even quote the 0-60 times of the last 5 cars I've owned, which includes:
Corvette C6
Bentley Continental GT
Corvette C8
AMG GTS
Aston Martin DB11 V12
In my long lifetime I've seen horrific accidents where innocent people have been killed by irresponsible drivers who are obsessed with straight line street racing where it is not always the faster car, but the driver who is more reckless and willing to take more dangerous risks on the street.
So when you were young it was ok to race, but now you are old, young people are irresponsible . Lol In my lifetime, I was obsessed with it too up until about age 19, where I already had lost my license twice for street racing; then I grew up.
Now, at my retirement age and so much a car guy and in love with GTs, I cannot even quote the 0-60 times of the last 5 cars I've owned, which includes:
Corvette C6
Bentley Continental GT
Corvette C8
AMG GTS
Aston Martin DB11 V12
In my long lifetime I've seen horrific accidents where innocent people have been killed by irresponsible drivers who are obsessed with straight line street racing where it is not always the faster car, but the driver who is more reckless and willing to take more dangerous risks on the street.
While I was looking for a car I was pulled in by all of it etc etc. I was considering a Panamera Turbo S, Jag XJR's etc and all of this speed and 0-60's with a load of other cars. I suddenly realised, it doesn't matter with any of these cars, because they all have enough. So I picked the car that suited my needs with the engine I truly wanted. A Naturally Aspirated V12 and got a Rapide which was the 2nd 'slowest' car in my list of cars. I reckon if i'd picked ANY of the other cars (barring the DB9) I would have always wondered and yearned after the Aston. Because once that thrill of speed and acceleration wears off you have to love all the other aspects of the car.
My wife who doesn't drive (she had a licence when she lived in the US when she lived there for a few years) has diven all but one of the cars i've owned. She drove the Aston today (in a very empty, remote countryside car park) and she suddenly realised why I love driving it. She was remarking at how tactile, the feedback, the weight of the steering, throttle and brakes were, and the whole sensation behind the wheel in comparison to my old F-type. Now she understands why i'm just constantly smiling in it. This is a car I will try and keep it for as long as I can simply because more than just the speed/acceleration bring me so much joy. That's why all that 0-60 doesn't matter in the long term. Unless it's a day at a track where you want to pick the most mental car.
My wife who doesn't drive (she had a licence when she lived in the US when she lived there for a few years) has diven all but one of the cars i've owned. She drove the Aston today (in a very empty, remote countryside car park) and she suddenly realised why I love driving it. She was remarking at how tactile, the feedback, the weight of the steering, throttle and brakes were, and the whole sensation behind the wheel in comparison to my old F-type. Now she understands why i'm just constantly smiling in it. This is a car I will try and keep it for as long as I can simply because more than just the speed/acceleration bring me so much joy. That's why all that 0-60 doesn't matter in the long term. Unless it's a day at a track where you want to pick the most mental car.
ds666 said:
So when you were young it was ok to race, but now you are old, young people are irresponsible . Lol
Street racing is irresponsible, regardless of age. You've misconstrued my message somewhat. Car enthusiasts are interested in speed. The simplest form of that is get a car you think is fast and start out on the streets...it's free.
My REAL message was supposed to be - Most car enthusiasts "grow up" but we do it at different rates; and a select few never do. For me it was early - 19. However, I see enthusiasts to this day in their 40s, 50s, 60s, STILL talking about cruising in their latest on the streets looking for stoplight races. If you've not had very bad luck street racing at 60 it's incredibly lucky, but you cannot beat nature. Some just think they can.
Street racing is DUMB...at any age.
As you get older it is less important (for me, the sound is more important than outright speed) and I definitley don’t drive as fast now as when younger, despite now having a faster car! However, 0-60 times are useful for filtering out the dross on car sale websites… as I like to see if anything interesting is coming up for sale locally.
Ps. Never looked inside one but the MG is one of the more interesting looking EVs from the outside.
Ps. Never looked inside one but the MG is one of the more interesting looking EVs from the outside.
skhannes said:
ds666 said:
So when you were young it was ok to race, but now you are old, young people are irresponsible . Lol
Street racing is irresponsible, regardless of age. You've misconstrued my message somewhat. Car enthusiasts are interested in speed. The simplest form of that is get a car you think is fast and start out on the streets...it's free.
My REAL message was supposed to be - Most car enthusiasts "grow up" but we do it at different rates; and a select few never do. For me it was early - 19. However, I see enthusiasts to this day in their 40s, 50s, 60s, STILL talking about cruising in their latest on the streets looking for stoplight races. If you've not had very bad luck street racing at 60 it's incredibly lucky, but you cannot beat nature. Some just think they can.
Street racing is DUMB...at any age.
I still enjoy racing , but hills and sprints . Oh and off the lights …
The video was actually sponsored by MG. Running their little race on damp, cold, slippery track was clearly part of the brief. It doesn’t even rain much in Perth so it is likely a planned stunt.
0-60 is simply about traction and gearbox (or lack of gearbox) nowadays. Pretty much a pointless performance metric once you reach below 5 seconds.
0-60 is simply about traction and gearbox (or lack of gearbox) nowadays. Pretty much a pointless performance metric once you reach below 5 seconds.
I knew this guy in the Lambo. I drove Miller Road all the time and was on it hours before this horrific accident happened that took the life of a 'GRANDMOTHER". This is an example of a street racer that obviously never "grew up" but too late now as he spends life in prison.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0362S8wMidI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0362S8wMidI
skhannes said:
I knew this guy in the Lambo. I drove Miller Road all the time and was on it hours before this horrific accident happened that took the life of a 'GRANDMOTHER". This is an example of a street racer that obviously never "grew up" but too late now as he spends life in prison.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0362S8wMidI
Facebook is bloody clever. It just gave me a video of a streetracing Lambo...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0362S8wMidI
https://www.facebook.com/reel/2116111278859426
ds666 said:
BiggaJ said:
It seems to matter to You Tubers and motoring hacks however, when being asked about your car, how many times does the 0-60 time crop up? quite often as it's seen as a measure of performance but most don't recognise that it's more about how the car makes you feel, how you connect with it.
Re the Cyberster .... It's atrocious, the Noddy in Toy Town pointy indicators, the haphazard interior, I cannot find one redeeming feature on that car. These electric cars are 'point & press' driving to me, devoid of any character whatsoever.
What nonsense ref the MG - it is a decent car and the first real EV convertible . Re the Cyberster .... It's atrocious, the Noddy in Toy Town pointy indicators, the haphazard interior, I cannot find one redeeming feature on that car. These electric cars are 'point & press' driving to me, devoid of any character whatsoever.
If you like pointy indicators, good for you, I don't. Neither do I see the point of convertibles living in the UK, others see differently and to me. Again makes neither party right or wrong.
Edited by BiggaJ on Monday 3rd March 10:39
Edited by BiggaJ on Monday 3rd March 10:40
BiggaJ said:
That's your opinion, I have mine .... Makes you no more, no less right than me.
If you like pointy indicators, good for you, I don't. Neither do I see the point of convertibles living in the UK, others see differently and to me. Again makes neither party right or wrong.
The whole point of a convertible in the UK is to enjoy that singular one nice day in the whole year which will inevitably fall on a day whilst you're at work.If you like pointy indicators, good for you, I don't. Neither do I see the point of convertibles living in the UK, others see differently and to me. Again makes neither party right or wrong.
Edited by BiggaJ on Monday 3rd March 10:39
Edited by BiggaJ on Monday 3rd March 10:40
Blitzuk said:
BiggaJ said:
That's your opinion, I have mine .... Makes you no more, no less right than me.
If you like pointy indicators, good for you, I don't. Neither do I see the point of convertibles living in the UK, others see differently and to me. Again makes neither party right or wrong.
The whole point of a convertible in the UK is to enjoy that singular one nice day in the whole year which will inevitably fall on a day whilst you're at work.If you like pointy indicators, good for you, I don't. Neither do I see the point of convertibles living in the UK, others see differently and to me. Again makes neither party right or wrong.
Edited by BiggaJ on Monday 3rd March 10:39
Edited by BiggaJ on Monday 3rd March 10:40
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