Nurse! Well done Dawn (Butler)
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Never thought I'd say this for a Labour MP, and this one at that.
Great job, she kept pushing this, and it's important.
93% of NHS trusts have more than 8,000 people using the title of 'NURSE' who have NO registered nursing qualifications, at all.
That, to put it bluntly, stinks to high heaven.
Currently only 'Registered Nurse' is protected, but not 'Nurse' allowing 'anyone' to use it ...and they do.
Dawn's bill has been voted in by MPs today and it will get a second reading in March.
Hard to do this for a Labour MP, but I will.
Great job, she kept pushing this, and it's important.
93% of NHS trusts have more than 8,000 people using the title of 'NURSE' who have NO registered nursing qualifications, at all.
That, to put it bluntly, stinks to high heaven.
Currently only 'Registered Nurse' is protected, but not 'Nurse' allowing 'anyone' to use it ...and they do.
Dawn's bill has been voted in by MPs today and it will get a second reading in March.
Hard to do this for a Labour MP, but I will.
Wait till you hear about folks using the words "physician" and "anaesthetist"
https://anaesthetistsunited.com/
https://www.bma.org.uk/news-and-opinion/bma-to-fin...
dandarez said:
Never thought I'd say this for a Labour MP, and this one at that.
Great job, she kept pushing this, and it's important.
93% of NHS trusts have more than 8,000 people using the title of 'NURSE' who have NO registered nursing qualifications, at all.
That, to put it bluntly, stinks to high heaven.
Currently only 'Registered Nurse' is protected, but not 'Nurse' allowing 'anyone' to use it ...and they do.
Dawn's bill has been voted in by MPs today and it will get a second reading in March.
Hard to do this for a Labour MP, but I will.
I didn't know that 'Nurse' could be anyone, I naively thought it was someone who had quals . Given my daughter is in her 3rd year of her nursing degree then I totally agree with this.Great job, she kept pushing this, and it's important.
93% of NHS trusts have more than 8,000 people using the title of 'NURSE' who have NO registered nursing qualifications, at all.
That, to put it bluntly, stinks to high heaven.
Currently only 'Registered Nurse' is protected, but not 'Nurse' allowing 'anyone' to use it ...and they do.
Dawn's bill has been voted in by MPs today and it will get a second reading in March.
Hard to do this for a Labour MP, but I will.
dandarez said:
Never thought I'd say this for a Labour MP, and this one at that.
Great job, she kept pushing this, and it's important.
93% of NHS trusts have more than 8,000 people using the title of 'NURSE' who have NO registered nursing qualifications, at all.
That, to put it bluntly, stinks to high heaven.
Currently only 'Registered Nurse' is protected, but not 'Nurse' allowing 'anyone' to use it ...and they do.
Dawn's bill has been voted in by MPs today and it will get a second reading in March.
Hard to do this for a Labour MP, but I will.
Thought you had to go to university and all sorts these days to become a Nurse? Bit of a slap in the face. Great job, she kept pushing this, and it's important.
93% of NHS trusts have more than 8,000 people using the title of 'NURSE' who have NO registered nursing qualifications, at all.
That, to put it bluntly, stinks to high heaven.
Currently only 'Registered Nurse' is protected, but not 'Nurse' allowing 'anyone' to use it ...and they do.
Dawn's bill has been voted in by MPs today and it will get a second reading in March.
Hard to do this for a Labour MP, but I will.
Still... they're welcome in the Engineer's club anytime
numtumfutunch said:
Wait till you hear about folks using the words "physician" and "anaesthetist"
https://anaesthetistsunited.com/
https://www.bma.org.uk/news-and-opinion/bma-to-fin...
Likewise nutritionist isn't a protected job title.https://anaesthetistsunited.com/
https://www.bma.org.uk/news-and-opinion/bma-to-fin...
juice said:
dandarez said:
Never thought I'd say this for a Labour MP, and this one at that.
Great job, she kept pushing this, and it's important.
93% of NHS trusts have more than 8,000 people using the title of 'NURSE' who have NO registered nursing qualifications, at all.
That, to put it bluntly, stinks to high heaven.
Currently only 'Registered Nurse' is protected, but not 'Nurse' allowing 'anyone' to use it ...and they do.
Dawn's bill has been voted in by MPs today and it will get a second reading in March.
Hard to do this for a Labour MP, but I will.
I didn't know that 'Nurse' could be anyone, I naively thought it was someone who had quals . Given my daughter is in her 3rd year of her nursing degree then I totally agree with this.Great job, she kept pushing this, and it's important.
93% of NHS trusts have more than 8,000 people using the title of 'NURSE' who have NO registered nursing qualifications, at all.
That, to put it bluntly, stinks to high heaven.
Currently only 'Registered Nurse' is protected, but not 'Nurse' allowing 'anyone' to use it ...and they do.
Dawn's bill has been voted in by MPs today and it will get a second reading in March.
Hard to do this for a Labour MP, but I will.
LimmerickLad said:
juice said:
dandarez said:
Never thought I'd say this for a Labour MP, and this one at that.
Great job, she kept pushing this, and it's important.
93% of NHS trusts have more than 8,000 people using the title of 'NURSE' who have NO registered nursing qualifications, at all.
That, to put it bluntly, stinks to high heaven.
Currently only 'Registered Nurse' is protected, but not 'Nurse' allowing 'anyone' to use it ...and they do.
Dawn's bill has been voted in by MPs today and it will get a second reading in March.
Hard to do this for a Labour MP, but I will.
I didn't know that 'Nurse' could be anyone, I naively thought it was someone who had quals . Given my daughter is in her 3rd year of her nursing degree then I totally agree with this.Great job, she kept pushing this, and it's important.
93% of NHS trusts have more than 8,000 people using the title of 'NURSE' who have NO registered nursing qualifications, at all.
That, to put it bluntly, stinks to high heaven.
Currently only 'Registered Nurse' is protected, but not 'Nurse' allowing 'anyone' to use it ...and they do.
Dawn's bill has been voted in by MPs today and it will get a second reading in March.
Hard to do this for a Labour MP, but I will.
I don't have much time for Dawn Butler but in this case she deserves the kudos.
dandarez said:
Never thought I'd say this for a Labour MP, and this one at that.
Great job, she kept pushing this, and it's important.
93% of NHS trusts have more than 8,000 people using the title of 'NURSE' who have NO registered nursing qualifications, at all.
That, to put it bluntly, stinks to high heaven.
Currently only 'Registered Nurse' is protected, but not 'Nurse' allowing 'anyone' to use it ...and they do.
Dawn's bill has been voted in by MPs today and it will get a second reading in March.
Hard to do this for a Labour MP, but I will.
do you have a link to the story so that we can decide if we need to be upset by this.Great job, she kept pushing this, and it's important.
93% of NHS trusts have more than 8,000 people using the title of 'NURSE' who have NO registered nursing qualifications, at all.
That, to put it bluntly, stinks to high heaven.
Currently only 'Registered Nurse' is protected, but not 'Nurse' allowing 'anyone' to use it ...and they do.
Dawn's bill has been voted in by MPs today and it will get a second reading in March.
Hard to do this for a Labour MP, but I will.
Health care assistants, or nursing assistants used to be called auxiliary nurses and forever have been undertaking many of the tasks that are required to look after patients in hospital, whilst being paid at band 2 or 3. the Qualified (with a degree) nursing staff will have greater responsibility paid at band 5 - 7
You could of course change things so that all staff are "regulated" but you would need to accept that the pay bill will need to go up to and of course you might find that the degree educated regulated staff may not wish to assume the more mundane roles that the HCA's deal with
I do not believe " Doctor" is protected, but "registered Medical practitioner" is
and I do not believe "surgeon" is protected in the uk
Edited by sawman on Tuesday 11th February 19:10
Edited by sawman on Tuesday 11th February 19:21
Mrs LL has worked all over the country as a registered nurse in many Trusts at very senior levels and "has no idea what Butler is talking about"..........where did she get this information from please as Mrs LL thinks she may have got the wrong end of the stick?
"She added: “A freedom of information request by Nursing Standard found that 93% of all NHS trusts had more than 8,000 people using the term nurse in their job title, who in fact had no registered nursing qualifications. This is worrying.”
Most Trusts don't have 8000 people let alone calling themselves nurses that are not........ even across all Trusts this doesn't really make sense unless they are including HCA's in that figure???
"Makes no sense to me whatsoever" sic
I'd love to know where she got the 8,000 in 93% of Trusts figure from...No doubt it needs to be protected from misuse but it seems like a bit of overegging the pudding going on..........
Best I could find was this from the Nursing Times:
"Explaining the need for the change, Professor Leary and Mr Trevatt said in a joint statement: “Our research published in 2017 revealed that nursing job titles such as advanced nurse practitioner and district nurse were being used by people with no nursing qualifications or professional nursing registration."
https://www.nursingtimes.net/professional-regulati...
"She added: “A freedom of information request by Nursing Standard found that 93% of all NHS trusts had more than 8,000 people using the term nurse in their job title, who in fact had no registered nursing qualifications. This is worrying.”
Most Trusts don't have 8000 people let alone calling themselves nurses that are not........ even across all Trusts this doesn't really make sense unless they are including HCA's in that figure???
"Makes no sense to me whatsoever" sic
I'd love to know where she got the 8,000 in 93% of Trusts figure from...No doubt it needs to be protected from misuse but it seems like a bit of overegging the pudding going on..........
Best I could find was this from the Nursing Times:
"Explaining the need for the change, Professor Leary and Mr Trevatt said in a joint statement: “Our research published in 2017 revealed that nursing job titles such as advanced nurse practitioner and district nurse were being used by people with no nursing qualifications or professional nursing registration."
https://www.nursingtimes.net/professional-regulati...
Edited by LimmerickLad on Tuesday 11th February 19:38
Edited by LimmerickLad on Tuesday 11th February 20:00
ks title so who caresLimmerickLad said:
Mrs LL has worked all over the country as a registered nurse in many Trusts at very senior levels and "has no idea what Butler is talking about"..........where did she get this information from please as Mrs LL thinks she may have got the wrong end of the stick?
"She added: “A freedom of information request by Nursing Standard found that 93% of all NHS trusts had more than 8,000 people using the term nurse in their job title, who in fact had no registered nursing qualifications. This is worrying.”
Most Trusts don't have 8000 people let alone calling themselves nurses that are not........ even across all Trusts this doesn't really make sense unless they are including HCA's in that figure???
"Makes no sense to me whatsoever" sic
I'd love to know where she got the 8,000 in 93% of Trusts figure from...No doubt it needs to be protected from misuse but it seems like a bit of overegging the pudding going on..........
Best I could find was this from the Nursing Times:
"Explaining the need for the change, Professor Leary and Mr Trevatt said in a joint statement: “Our research published in 2017 revealed that nursing job titles such as advanced nurse practitioner and district nurse were being used by people with no nursing qualifications or professional nursing registration."
https://www.nursingtimes.net/professional-regulati...
215 trusts so 37 per trust not 8,000 per trust."She added: “A freedom of information request by Nursing Standard found that 93% of all NHS trusts had more than 8,000 people using the term nurse in their job title, who in fact had no registered nursing qualifications. This is worrying.”
Most Trusts don't have 8000 people let alone calling themselves nurses that are not........ even across all Trusts this doesn't really make sense unless they are including HCA's in that figure???
"Makes no sense to me whatsoever" sic
I'd love to know where she got the 8,000 in 93% of Trusts figure from...No doubt it needs to be protected from misuse but it seems like a bit of overegging the pudding going on..........
Best I could find was this from the Nursing Times:
"Explaining the need for the change, Professor Leary and Mr Trevatt said in a joint statement: “Our research published in 2017 revealed that nursing job titles such as advanced nurse practitioner and district nurse were being used by people with no nursing qualifications or professional nursing registration."
https://www.nursingtimes.net/professional-regulati...
Edited by LimmerickLad on Tuesday 11th February 19:38
Edited by LimmerickLad on Tuesday 11th February 20:00
Vanden Saab said:
LimmerickLad said:
Mrs LL has worked all over the country as a registered nurse in many Trusts at very senior levels and "has no idea what Butler is talking about"..........where did she get this information from please as Mrs LL thinks she may have got the wrong end of the stick?
"She added: “A freedom of information request by Nursing Standard found that 93% of all NHS trusts had more than 8,000 people using the term nurse in their job title, who in fact had no registered nursing qualifications. This is worrying.”
Most Trusts don't have 8000 people let alone calling themselves nurses that are not........ even across all Trusts this doesn't really make sense unless they are including HCA's in that figure???
"Makes no sense to me whatsoever" sic
I'd love to know where she got the 8,000 in 93% of Trusts figure from...No doubt it needs to be protected from misuse but it seems like a bit of overegging the pudding going on..........
Best I could find was this from the Nursing Times:
"Explaining the need for the change, Professor Leary and Mr Trevatt said in a joint statement: “Our research published in 2017 revealed that nursing job titles such as advanced nurse practitioner and district nurse were being used by people with no nursing qualifications or professional nursing registration."
https://www.nursingtimes.net/professional-regulati...
215 trusts so 37 per trust not 8,000 per trust."She added: “A freedom of information request by Nursing Standard found that 93% of all NHS trusts had more than 8,000 people using the term nurse in their job title, who in fact had no registered nursing qualifications. This is worrying.”
Most Trusts don't have 8000 people let alone calling themselves nurses that are not........ even across all Trusts this doesn't really make sense unless they are including HCA's in that figure???
"Makes no sense to me whatsoever" sic
I'd love to know where she got the 8,000 in 93% of Trusts figure from...No doubt it needs to be protected from misuse but it seems like a bit of overegging the pudding going on..........
Best I could find was this from the Nursing Times:
"Explaining the need for the change, Professor Leary and Mr Trevatt said in a joint statement: “Our research published in 2017 revealed that nursing job titles such as advanced nurse practitioner and district nurse were being used by people with no nursing qualifications or professional nursing registration."
https://www.nursingtimes.net/professional-regulati...
Edited by LimmerickLad on Tuesday 11th February 19:38
Edited by LimmerickLad on Tuesday 11th February 20:00
Edited by LimmerickLad on Tuesday 11th February 20:41
spikeyhead said:
I'll guess it's poorly worded, 93% of trusts responded, and between them had more than 8,000 "nurses" rather than 8,000 each.
Even at 37 per Trust...if true doesn't quite seem to be the problem Dawn Butler states it is?This is an attempt to get something passed into legislation by an MP and, for what it is worth, I think is a good idea in principle but, given this will be written into law, surely the facts presented to MP's and Parliament needs to be correct and not misleading?
Mrs LL is adamant that, within actual NHS Trusts at least, this is nowhere near the problem Dawn Butler is stating it is so it does make me wonder why this is being misrepresented to Parliament in this way?
Edited by LimmerickLad on Tuesday 11th February 22:10
LimmerickLad said:
spikeyhead said:
I'll guess it's poorly worded, 93% of trusts responded, and between them had more than 8,000 "nurses" rather than 8,000 each.
Even at 37 per Trust...if true doesn't quite seem to be the problem Dawn Butler states it is?This is an attempt to get something passed into legislation by an MP and, for what it is worth, I think is a good idea in principle but, given this will be written into law, surely the facts presented to MP's and Parliament needs to be correct and not misleading?
Mrs LL is adamant that, within actual NHS Trusts at least, this is nowhere near the problem Dawn Butler is stating it is so it does make me wonder why this is being misrepresented to Parliament in this way?
In my book '1' having a badge saying 'Nurse' is too many.
Couple of examples:
Cassandra Grant, 39, a posed as 'a nurse' at the Blenheim Palace horse trials and was able to and involved in injecting an injured horse rider.
Rightly jailed for 4 years.
The other end of the scale: well-known to some Kate Shemirani really was 'a nurse'.
She was suspended by the NMC in 2020 and struck off in 2021.
However, didn't stop her. She continues to label herself as 'a nurse' and is legally able to do so.
As indicated '1' is too many.
dandarez said:
LimmerickLad said:
spikeyhead said:
I'll guess it's poorly worded, 93% of trusts responded, and between them had more than 8,000 "nurses" rather than 8,000 each.
Even at 37 per Trust...if true doesn't quite seem to be the problem Dawn Butler states it is?This is an attempt to get something passed into legislation by an MP and, for what it is worth, I think is a good idea in principle but, given this will be written into law, surely the facts presented to MP's and Parliament needs to be correct and not misleading?
Mrs LL is adamant that, within actual NHS Trusts at least, this is nowhere near the problem Dawn Butler is stating it is so it does make me wonder why this is being misrepresented to Parliament in this way?
In my book '1' having a badge saying 'Nurse' is too many.
Couple of examples:
Cassandra Grant, 39, a posed as 'a nurse' at the Blenheim Palace horse trials and was able to and involved in injecting an injured horse rider.
Rightly jailed for 4 years.
The other end of the scale: well-known to some Kate Shemirani really was 'a nurse'.
She was suspended by the NMC in 2020 and struck off in 2021.
However, didn't stop her. She continues to label herself as 'a nurse' and is legally able to do so.
As indicated '1' is too many.
My guess it is possibly refering to lower band workers (3-4) having 'nurse' included in their titles but Mrs LL doesn't seem to think it is as prevelant as what is being alluded to, certainly not in her experience anyway but for obvious reasons I can't say more than that.
Would be nice to find a link to the report / FOI request.
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