Gt 410 sport

[simsith]

I am starting to plan a new car for later this year, as it's a big purchase I want to make sure I am doing the right thing, but after reading everything under the sun I realise I need to actually see the cars and have a sit on one to understand if they are the one.

My shortlist is...

Caymen gt4, Evora Gt410 sport or maybe the Emira,

The Emira is pretty easy to go look at, but the other too are a little harder, I wondered if anyone on here had one of these and would mind spending half an hour or so at some point in the near future showing me their car, talking to me about it and maybe taking me out for a quick spin, I live a coupe of miles from Caffeine and Machine Stratford (the hill) and would happy buy you a drink for a bit of your time?

The purchase may not be for a good few months, so no rush, I just want to start the process

Thanks

Simon

[blueg33]

I would have expected Lotus Silverstone to have an Evora 410GT

[Beachbum]

I was in a similar postion to you about 7 months ago, looking at Elise 250 Cups, Evora 410s(both types) and in the end Emira's too
After a lot of soul searching went for the Emira.

If you look on this forum at the Emira section, you will see all sorts of scare stories. I have been one of the lucky ones and not had any issues(so far) and have enjoyed every minute of the experience. If you need a 2+2 config, then the Evora is the only option

[simsith]

Hi, 2 plus 2 is not needed no, I am coming from an Exige and I prefer a slightly stiffer sportier drive, the Emira looks great and I am not put off by the reviews, it was more that the GT410 looked more focused and the Emira looked slightly softer, but this is one of the reasons for wanting to sit on one to see for myself, I want it to feel special to sit in, look at and drive, I also quite like the fact there are less Evora around and that it's a run out, at some point the Emira will have an uprated model and I will feel like the launch model was less focused than what I want.

[simsith]

blueg33 said:

I would have expected Lotus Silverstone to have an Evora 410GT

Believe it or not they don't! I was planning to go there this weekend if they did, although I don't want to waste a sales persons time as I am not ready to buy right now as I have not been in any of the 3.

[blueg33]

simsith said:

blueg33 said:

I would have expected Lotus Silverstone to have an Evora 410GT

Believe it or not they don't! I was planning to go there this weekend if they did, although I don't want to waste a sales persons time as I am not ready to buy right now as I have not been in any of the 3.

Aimee and Matt are probably fine with you looking, buying a Lotus is often a slow process, and if you already have one, they know you have a connection.

[ziggy328]

Hi, i've owned an Evora 400 for 3 years and during that time I've put 40,000 miles on it so I know the car pretty well. I was recently going to swap it for a 410 but in the end it didn't make financial sense as it's basically the same car. I ended up refreshing the alloys and replacing the full body PPF instead and it now looks like new. I also had the car re-mapped and it's now 430 BHP.

Happy to answer any questions you may have. I'm in the Midlands near Leicester if you want to see the car etc whenever you are ready.

btw Central Performance currently have a 410 for sale, albeit you would need to like purple! I've seen the car in person and it's very nice.

Cheers

Edit to add the link to the car, sorry it's reserved now

https://centralgbltd.com/vehicle-details/used-lotu...

Edited by ziggy328 on Tuesday 11th February 09:10

[simsith]

ziggy328 said:

Hi, i've owned an Evora 400 for 3 years and during that time I've put 40,000 miles on it so I know the car pretty well. I was recently going to swap it for a 410 but in the end it didn't make financial sense as it's basically the same car. I ended up refreshing the alloys and replacing the full body PPF instead and it now looks like new. I also had the car re-mapped and it's now 430 BHP.

Happy to answer any questions you may have. I'm in the Midlands near Leicester if you want to see the car etc whenever you are ready.

btw Central Performance currently have a 410 for sale, albeit you would need to like purple! I've seen the car in person and it's very nice.

Cheers

Edit to add the link to the car, sorry it's reserved now

https://centralgbltd.com/vehicle-details/used-lotu...

Edited by ziggy328 on Tuesday 11th February 09:10

Thanks for the reply, I will DM if you, the purple one I personally really like, I have seen pictures on here of a greeny grey which looks stunning but not seen one for sale, I am trying not to get hung up on actual cars yet as I am not looking to buy just yet and I don't want to feel pressured.

[andyj007]

Evora or Caymen.. IMO
the evora has way more drama when you sit in it looking out,, and it looks like will hold its money much better having said that it will only be a couple of month before they are near 50k for an emira with less than 2k miles .. a couple went recently that were advertised for 54k , id still hold out until they hit bottom which coudl be 40-45k ish .. just too many around and no one wants them it seems

[Lee281275]

Not sure where your situated but your more than welcome to try mine for size, it's 410 Sport so Carbon seats. Might help you decide please feel free to PM

[simsith]

Lee281275 said:

Not sure where your situated but your more than welcome to try mine for size, it's 410 Sport so Carbon seats. Might help you decide please feel free to PM

Thanks Lee, that would be great, I live near Stratford upon Avon, by Caffeine and Machine, the Hill, where about s are you, the 410 Sport the one I particularly like.

[twinturban]

For the price of a new Emira you could get an Evora GT430 which is much closer to Exige level of excitement, response and track ability, with more refinement and practicality. They are also super rare so will hold onto its value much better than an Emira.

[simsith]

A 430 would be amazing, however I am looking at used Emira prices, I don't have the funds or guts to sink my money into a new Emira unless they are actually selling them for £60k on their 0% deal. My understanding of the 430 is that it's quite a different car to the 410 and ownership is more expensive because of this.

Used it's price led, so I think 410 sport, Exige 390 or 718 gt4 is where my head is at, I want to do some weekends away with my wife too so that probably rules out the 390.

[blueg33]

simsith said:

A 430 would be amazing, however I am looking at used Emira prices, I don't have the funds or guts to sink my money into a new Emira unless they are actually selling them for £60k on their 0% deal. My understanding of the 430 is that it's quite a different car to the 410 and ownership is more expensive because of this.

Used it's price led, so I think 410 sport, Exige 390 or 718 gt4 is where my head is at, I want to do some weekends away with my wife too so that probably rules out the 390.

Lotus Silerstone told me that the 430 had a more onerous service regime. For me it would be a Sport 410, not a GT410 Sport. The sport 410 is more track orientated, has stunning cf buckets (which don't fit everyone).

[Beachbum]

twinturban said:

For the price of a new Emira you could get an Evora GT430 which is much closer to Exige level of excitement, response and track ability, with more refinement and practicality. They are also super rare so will hold onto its value much better than an Emira.

The last Evora GT430 I saw for sale, was being advertised at £99K.
Doubt it will for anything close to that, but its still over and above anything you'll pay for other Evoras or Emiras

[BertBert]

simsith said:

...I want to do some weekends away with my wife too so that probably rules out the 390.

Mrs Bert was extremely uncomfortable in the carbon buckets in my 410 sport. I was mildly uncomfortable as they are very upright as standard. Canting them back a bit was much better for me - didn't fix it for her though!

[ziggy328]

I've seen two 430's for sale, a manual at £97/99K and an auto at £90K..

I love my Evora, but any Evora is nowhere near a £100K car. You'd have to be to pay anywhere near that.

[simsith]

The good news is that I don't have the money to make a 100k car purchase, and for mainly UK road driving at the weekend I don't think I would get twice the enjoyment, I think to be fair it will be a lotus, I have and auto EV and the thing I miss most is changing gear, I drive my wife's 10 year old mini and realise every time how good controlling the gears is. While the Caymen seems ace on paper, the long gearing makes me think it won't be as fun to drive out over time.

I think as someone said the Sport may be the best option over the GT, but I love a bit of drama, noise and feeling special, I guess this is my main worry with the Emira and Evora Sport, coming from an s2 Exige they may just feel a little too sensible and refined, but I have not been in any of them yet and want to make my judgement from a seat rather than a review or spec sheet.

[twinturban]

GT430 might cost more upfront but good chance it would cost less to own over time. Great way to swerve big Emira depreciation and have a much more focused drivers car. That said GT410 is a good halfway house and I can’t see them losing much from where they are now. Better drivers car than the Emira imo which is mainly bought for its looks. If Lotus ever get round to making a faster and lighter Emira but it will be north of £100k and make the early Emiras and later Evoras look even better value.

Evora 400 owners will tell you it’s 95% of a Sport 410/GT410 Sport. 410 owners will tell you it’s 95% of a GT430. I don’t agree at all. Evora 400 is great value but the Sport 410 was a big improvement as a drivers road and track car. Added lightness was the Lotus way back then and the Sport 410 remains a great example and perhaps better understood and appreciated by an Exige owner than a previous Evora owner. You feel the benefits constantly and at all speeds. Weight distribution and c of g are also improved. For me the original Sport 410 is the stand out Evora for value, still under the radar and undervalued I guess those that wanted something racier tend to go for the Exige so it gets really overlooked. That’s what I’d be go for for around £50k personally. But they are super rare, beggars can’t be choosers! GT410 is more polished and a bit more refined. Unlike early Sport 410 can be found with higher mounted more conventional Sparco seats but it if you’ve had an Exige you fit the carbon race seats so I would stick with those if you can improves driving position and big weight saving, lower c of g, more support and room for helmet. GT430 is another level and goes beyond being a special Evora to being one of the greatest Lotus cars ever. Exige 430 is wilder, angrier and more exciting but GT430 is a more sophisticated showcase for Lotus suspension and aero expertise.

[BertBert]

I did my Emira test driving whilst being an Evora 410 sport owner. I thought the Emira would be a dull drive in comparison, but it was completely the opposite. I actually found it as engaging a drive as the Evora. I am a big fan of buckets and wasn't a big fan of the Emira seats. So I reckon that the Emira with the Tilletts that are fittable would be mega. Only downside is the Tilletts are quite pricey and would take away some practicality from the Emira.

Mind you if I went down that route, I'd only put a Tillett in the driver's side, not for the pax.