Bucaneer crash on the Ark Royal

Bucaneer crash on the Ark Royal

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texaxile

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3,471 posts

165 months

Tuesday 4th February
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Going through my recently passed Dad's stuff, I've stumbled upon several pics of a Buccaneer which hit the arrestor net on the Ark, the recovery and an image of actual event itself happening. They're originals so not sure if worth anything to any collectors.

They're covered in Red ink stamps on the rears with dates and words to the effect of not being suitable for release in public.

Will I get in trouble if I post them, along with other pics with red ink on them here?. They date from when the Ark had Buccaneers, obviously.

  • apologies for incorrect spelling in the title.Should be 2 "c"'s.

zorba_the_greek

1,065 posts

237 months

Tuesday 4th February
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texaxile said:
Going through my recently passed Dad's stuff, I've stumbled upon several pics of a Buccaneer which hit the arrestor net on the Ark, the recovery and an image of actual event itself happening. They're originals so not sure if worth anything to any collectors.

They're covered in Red ink stamps on the rears with dates and words to the effect of not being suitable for release in public.

Will I get in trouble if I post them, along with other pics with red ink on them here?. They date from when the Ark had Buccaneers, obviously.

  • apologies for incorrect spelling in the title.Should be 2 "c"'s.
following!

Tony1963

5,672 posts

177 months

Tuesday 4th February
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Times have changed, with YouTube for one hosting much footage that would’ve been kept from public view just thirty years ago.

Maybe contact a Fleet Air Arm association? They might give further info and guidance.

hidetheelephants

30,159 posts

208 months

Wednesday 5th February
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They'll be crown copyright, but really who is going to check? The original, assuming it wasn't binned years ago, will be in a cabinet somewhere gathering dust. As they're unlikely to have been digitised there's no means of automatically detecting the brazen flouting of copyright unless you hand yourself in at the local nick.

BrettMRC

4,974 posts

175 months

Wednesday 5th February
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I have a feeling I saw some images similar to the ones you are describing at the RAE / Farnborough Air Sciences Trust museum a few years back.

Might be worth a call to them as well.

aeropilot

38,231 posts

242 months

Wednesday 5th February
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Tony1963 said:
Maybe contact a Fleet Air Arm association? They might give further info and guidance.
Or even the Fleet Air Arm Museum at Yeovilton. They may well even have the originals in their archive by now.

Simpo Two

88,945 posts

280 months

Wednesday 5th February
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Official Secrets Act?

Stick Legs

7,274 posts

180 months

Wednesday 5th February
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I’m going to out on a limb and say it’s fine to post or sell.

They will have been Crown Copyright and restrictions applied at the time as the background of the photo may have detailed things such as aerial fit on the carrier, or other such classified info.

Airbrush re-touches to remove lumps, bumps and antenna from ships and aircraft has been going on since WW1.

As every aircraft type, and the ship itself have been long scrapped I doubt very much if there will be a knock at the door for sharing.



This document in my possession should no doubt gave ever left the base.

The intelligence value of an air navigator’s log sheet for a raid on Essen in 1944 is dubious now.

hidetheelephants

30,159 posts

208 months

Wednesday 5th February
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BrettMRC said:
I have a feeling I saw some images similar to the ones you are describing at the RAE / Farnborough Air Sciences Trust museum a few years back.

Might be worth a call to them as well.
There will be a lot of very similar pictures; carrier aviation is hazardous and every prang will have been recorded by a petty officer photographer.

Tony1963

5,672 posts

177 months

Wednesday 5th February
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Simpo Two said:
Official Secrets Act?
Well, the photos were in someone’s house, so that horse has bolted.

normalbloke

8,069 posts

234 months

Wednesday 5th February
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Tony1963 said:
Simpo Two said:
Official Secrets Act?
Well, the photos were in someone’s house, so that horse has bolted.
Was the house attached to a golf course…?

Tony1963

5,672 posts

177 months

Wednesday 5th February
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Stick Legs said:
I’m going to out on a limb and say it’s fine to post or sell.

They will have been Crown Copyright and restrictions applied at the time as the background of the photo may have detailed things such as aerial fit on the carrier, or other such classified info.

Airbrush re-touches to remove lumps, bumps and antenna from ships and aircraft has been going on since WW1.

As every aircraft type, and the ship itself have been long scrapped I doubt very much if there will be a knock at the door for sharing.



This document in my possession should no doubt gave ever left the base.

The intelligence value of an air navigator’s log sheet for a raid on Essen in 1944 is dubious now.
One of my jobs in the Cold War RAF was repairing and testing Tornado taileron powered flying control units. We weren’t allowed to talk about them outside of work, and at the time they were worth about £100k. I now have one in my garage. With paperwork and in the official container.

As I posted above, op, times change.

Simpo Two

88,945 posts

280 months

Wednesday 5th February
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Tony1963 said:
Simpo Two said:
Official Secrets Act?
Well, the photos were in someone’s house, so that horse has bolted.
Technically yes, but there's a difference between having a photo in the loft, and putting it in the public domain.

Alickadoo

2,955 posts

38 months

Wednesday 5th February
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Stick Legs said:
I’m going to out on a limb and say it’s fine to post or sell.

Snip

The intelligence value of an air navigator’s log sheet for a raid on Essen in 1944 is dubious now.
Hmm? 100 year rule?

eharding

14,526 posts

299 months

Wednesday 5th February
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Tony1963 said:
One of my jobs in the Cold War RAF was repairing and testing Tornado taileron powered flying control units. We weren’t allowed to talk about them outside of work, and at the time they were worth about £100k. I now have one in my garage. With paperwork and in the official container.
I've always been of the opinion that "Quadruplex Electrohydraulic Actuator" would be a great name for a band. You can just imagine Bob Harris introducing them on The Old Grey Whistle Test.

Tony1963

5,672 posts

177 months

Wednesday 5th February
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eharding said:
I've always been of the opinion that "Quadruplex Electrohydraulic Actuator" would be a great name for a band. You can just imagine Bob Harris introducing them on The Old Grey Whistle Test.
smile


And I’d be Inner Loop Pot.


HarryW

15,534 posts

284 months

Wednesday 5th February
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Superb planes btw.
On a surface ship attack run they’d fly so low all you could see was a white water fan tail and black unburnt fuel plume behind it, hard to spot the actual aircraft….

Extremely strong airframe too which could take the buffering and stresses of low high speed flying without degradation.

Tony1963

5,672 posts

177 months

Wednesday 5th February
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HarryW said:
Superb planes btw.

Extremely strong airframe too which could take the buffering and stresses of low high speed flying without degradation.
Until it didn’t. As a result of the Red Flag incident I spent quite a few hours with my finger wrapped in abrasive paper, stuffed into a small hole, prepping the wing spar for NDT.

texaxile

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165 months

Wednesday 5th February
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Ok thanks gents, I shall duly scan and upload in a couple of days.

hidetheelephants

30,159 posts

208 months

Wednesday 5th February
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