Ioniq 5N or BMW i4 M50
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Has anybody owned or extensively driven both the Ioniq 5N and i4 M50? I'm about company lease a new car and I've narrowed it down to these two options.
The M50 has the much better interior, the 5N is cheaper and quicker.
Had a short drive in the 5N (just in town), seemed cool. Interior was a bit of a let down.
Can't get a drive of an M50, but drove the 40. Really liked it.
Can't decide what route to take....
The M50 has the much better interior, the 5N is cheaper and quicker.
Had a short drive in the 5N (just in town), seemed cool. Interior was a bit of a let down.
Can't get a drive of an M50, but drove the 40. Really liked it.
Can't decide what route to take....
I have an M50 and it's great, but I can't compare to the N50 as I haven't driven one.
I suspect the N50 feels more raw and obviously isn't up to the same 'premium' quality in terms of cabin finish/materials etc - although I have sat in one and plainly Kia/Hyundai are punching in quality terms these days.
As said, sort test drives. If BMW believe you're serious, they'll get you an M50 to test from their BMW experience programme. Not sure about Hyundai.
Either car will exceed what you can do on the public road in terms of both pace and grip, easily. These are seriously potent cars, as fast as exotica in the real word, often faster in the real world, actually.
You can't really go wrong, but with test drives booked, you could go right.
NB: The M50 vs the 40 is a different beast. The adaptive damping on the M50 removes almost all body roll in sport modes and, ideally, you want the M50 on the 20" wheels, which is what it was set up for by M division. As a nicety/luxury, you also get air suspension and a load of other tech bundled with the M50.
I suspect the N50 feels more raw and obviously isn't up to the same 'premium' quality in terms of cabin finish/materials etc - although I have sat in one and plainly Kia/Hyundai are punching in quality terms these days.
As said, sort test drives. If BMW believe you're serious, they'll get you an M50 to test from their BMW experience programme. Not sure about Hyundai.
Either car will exceed what you can do on the public road in terms of both pace and grip, easily. These are seriously potent cars, as fast as exotica in the real word, often faster in the real world, actually.
You can't really go wrong, but with test drives booked, you could go right.
NB: The M50 vs the 40 is a different beast. The adaptive damping on the M50 removes almost all body roll in sport modes and, ideally, you want the M50 on the 20" wheels, which is what it was set up for by M division. As a nicety/luxury, you also get air suspension and a load of other tech bundled with the M50.
Cant help with the bmw m50 , but we have recently leased a ioniq5n as a tax benifet through work , its very quick car and surprisingly spacious inside with some great tech , you have to be vey disciplined driving as it begs to be pushed to the limits and to be honest is way to fast on public roads and its caught me out a few times , usually when its in comfort mode as it uses more of the rear motor , when in sport its using front and rear motors , and the novelty of the software paddle shift , engine noise is a great party piece i only use it when other petrol heads want to experience it , 99% of the time its in comfort and sport mode , id say n mode is for track days its where you would get the most out of it
My misses drives it more than me and after a few months she still says we should have kept our bmw ! Which was a f30 330d m sport , and i must admit i miss the bmw , she saw an i40 and commented we should have got 1 of them !
No electric memory seats in a 5n which bugs me every time i get in it ,
Id suggest definitely getting a test drive in the bmw before you make your decision , as im sure the bmw interior will be a much nicer place to be , and a better daily
Just my opinion , get a test drive in both before you decide , i wish i did !
Good luck
My misses drives it more than me and after a few months she still says we should have kept our bmw ! Which was a f30 330d m sport , and i must admit i miss the bmw , she saw an i40 and commented we should have got 1 of them !
No electric memory seats in a 5n which bugs me every time i get in it ,
Id suggest definitely getting a test drive in the bmw before you make your decision , as im sure the bmw interior will be a much nicer place to be , and a better daily
Just my opinion , get a test drive in both before you decide , i wish i did !
Good luck
kevburner said:
Cant help with the bmw m50 , but we have recently leased a ioniq5n as a tax benifet through work , its very quick car and surprisingly spacious inside with some great tech , you have to be vey disciplined driving as it begs to be pushed to the limits and to be honest is way to fast on public roads and its caught me out a few times , usually when its in comfort mode as it uses more of the rear motor , when in sport its using front and rear motors , and the novelty of the software paddle shift , engine noise is a great party piece i only use it when other petrol heads want to experience it , 99% of the time its in comfort and sport mode , id say n mode is for track days its where you would get the most out of it
My misses drives it more than me and after a few months she still says we should have kept our bmw ! Which was a f30 330d m sport , and i must admit i miss the bmw , she saw an i40 and commented we should have got 1 of them !
No electric memory seats in a 5n which bugs me every time i get in it ,
Id suggest definitely getting a test drive in the bmw before you make your decision , as im sure the bmw interior will be a much nicer place to be , and a better daily
Just my opinion , get a test drive in both before you decide , i wish i did !
Good luck
Tbh one of the reasons I didn't pursue the 5n was the lack of certain things like electric seats. Its bizarre because normally the Chinese and Korean cars come loaded when you get the top models. Obviously electric seats aren't 'performance' items that a performance car needs... But they're still nice to have!My misses drives it more than me and after a few months she still says we should have kept our bmw ! Which was a f30 330d m sport , and i must admit i miss the bmw , she saw an i40 and commented we should have got 1 of them !
No electric memory seats in a 5n which bugs me every time i get in it ,
Id suggest definitely getting a test drive in the bmw before you make your decision , as im sure the bmw interior will be a much nicer place to be , and a better daily
Just my opinion , get a test drive in both before you decide , i wish i did !
Good luck
Anyway, in the end a great lease deal on the i4 M50 came around so that made the decision. With the tech pack, it has everything you could need and more things that you don't than I can remember..
I have electric but not memory seats in my regular I5. I can’t even get into it after my wife has driven it, we are continually adjusting it several times a day. Not such a big deal, but the manual seats of the I5N makes the situation worse. Crazy perhaps, but this omission in the I5N is somewhat of a dealbreaker (esp from my wife’s POV).
FarmyardPants said:
I have electric but not memory seats in my regular I5. I can’t even get into it after my wife has driven it, we are continually adjusting it several times a day. Not such a big deal, but the manual seats of the I5N makes the situation worse. Crazy perhaps, but this omission in the I5N is somewhat of a dealbreaker (esp from my wife’s POV).
With the standard electric seats, do they not switch back to position based on driver profile? Seems crazy if not because the motor hardware is 95% of the cost and the rest is just software!Weird that they made electric memory seats such a pointless deal breaker... Just give it to all cars and give punters one less thing to worry about...
TheDeuce said:
FarmyardPants said:
I have electric but not memory seats in my regular I5. I can’t even get into it after my wife has driven it, we are continually adjusting it several times a day. Not such a big deal, but the manual seats of the I5N makes the situation worse. Crazy perhaps, but this omission in the I5N is somewhat of a dealbreaker (esp from my wife’s POV).
With the standard electric seats, do they not switch back to position based on driver profile? Seems crazy if not because the motor hardware is 95% of the cost and the rest is just software!Weird that they made electric memory seats such a pointless deal breaker... Just give it to all cars and give punters one less thing to worry about...
I honestly wouldn't bother with either after 6 years and numerous EV's. (Model 3 P, Etron S included)
Poor ride, poor efficiency (< 3 miles/kWh average) and performance that becomes more frustrating than fun over time as you so rarely get and opportunity to use it.
Bah humbug and all that, but genuinely believe the more efficient, more comfortable and less performing models are often a far better ownership proposition.
Poor ride, poor efficiency (< 3 miles/kWh average) and performance that becomes more frustrating than fun over time as you so rarely get and opportunity to use it.
Bah humbug and all that, but genuinely believe the more efficient, more comfortable and less performing models are often a far better ownership proposition.
SWoll said:
I honestly wouldn't bother with either after 6 years and numerous EV's. (Model 3 P, Etron S included)
Poor ride, poor efficiency (< 3 miles/kWh average) and performance that becomes more frustrating than fun over time as you so rarely get and opportunity to use it.
Bah humbug and all that, but genuinely believe the more efficient, more comfortable and less performing models are often a far better ownership proposition.
Hang on... The actual cost of that 'poor efficiency' might be that the car costs £7 to do 200 miles instead of £6... This is still pistonheads, the idea that paying such a trivial premium for 'fuel' or that it's frustrating to want to use the power than is wise, are not traditional PH reasons to buy a slower car than you can afford Poor ride, poor efficiency (< 3 miles/kWh average) and performance that becomes more frustrating than fun over time as you so rarely get and opportunity to use it.
Bah humbug and all that, but genuinely believe the more efficient, more comfortable and less performing models are often a far better ownership proposition.
As for poor ride, just specify air suspension and adaptive damping, have the best of both worlds not some slushy compromise like you often get in lower powered, cheaper variants.
TheDeuce said:
Hang on... The actual cost of that 'poor efficiency' might be that the car costs £7 to do 200 miles instead of £6... This is still pistonheads, the idea that paying such a trivial premium for 'fuel' or that it's frustrating to want to use the power than is wise, are not traditional PH reasons to buy a slower car than you can afford
As for poor ride, just specify air suspension and adaptive damping, have the best of both worlds not some slushy compromise like you often get in lower powered, cheaper variants.
Not just the cost of the efficiency (more important for those that public charge regularly I agree), but more often the absolute range the vehicle can manage before needing to charge.As for poor ride, just specify air suspension and adaptive damping, have the best of both worlds not some slushy compromise like you often get in lower powered, cheaper variants.
Not always possible to specify air/adaptive, and the big wheels and low profile tyres often fitted to the high performance models will still affect things.
I know, I'm geting old.
SWoll said:
TheDeuce said:
Hang on... The actual cost of that 'poor efficiency' might be that the car costs £7 to do 200 miles instead of £6... This is still pistonheads, the idea that paying such a trivial premium for 'fuel' or that it's frustrating to want to use the power than is wise, are not traditional PH reasons to buy a slower car than you can afford
As for poor ride, just specify air suspension and adaptive damping, have the best of both worlds not some slushy compromise like you often get in lower powered, cheaper variants.
Not just the cost of the efficiency (more important for those that public charge regularly I agree), but more often the absolute range the vehicle can manage before needing to charge.As for poor ride, just specify air suspension and adaptive damping, have the best of both worlds not some slushy compromise like you often get in lower powered, cheaper variants.
Not always possible to specify air/adaptive, and the big wheels and low profile tyres often fitted to the high performance models will still affect things.
I know, I'm geting old.
As for absolute range, so long as the EV does a real word 200 miles I'm totally happy with that, it takes around 4 hours to drive that distance so I'd be stopping anyway at some point, may as well charge for 10-15 minutes when I do. Would I swap my 550hp EV for a 200hp one for the sake of another 10-20 miles real world range..? No, because that would mean driving a slower car the other 95% of the time when range is of zero concern to me.
I've actually gone for the hardest setup possible on my M50, because I specced the 20" sport wheels - that was actually specifically because the entire car is imo setup too soft for its weight, and the thinner sidewalls + the adaptive damping in sport mode work together to solve that. It's now 'acceptable'
I had the 22" wheels on the iPace and even though that car was generally a little firmer than the i4, it was still an above averagely comfortable car on all but the most hideous road surfaces (or speed bumps). It did also have air springs, in my view these very powerful and somewhat heavy EV's need air + adaptive damping to be both comfortable and also genuinely sporty to drive. The Tesla 3/y performance are often criticised for that omission because it forced a compromise setup that wasn't quite firm enough to be agile, but also still a little crashy on rougher roads. So I think that so long as these cars are heavy, they're best chosen with those two options in place - and best ignored if those options don't exis. At least if the driver cares about comfort/handling.
What are you driving now by the way? Old man...
TheDeuce said:
What are you driving now by the way? Old man...
Were down to 1 car at the minute as both WFH full.time so no need for 2 daily drivers as our mileage is limited. The wife has an EQA 250+ which I've been impressed by. Comfy, lots of kit, well built, handles surprisingly well and plenty quick for daily use plus will do 250-300 miles between charges from a 70kWh battery.My plan is to supplement with something far less practical and petrol powered later this year, just need to decide what..
SWoll said:
TheDeuce said:
What are you driving now by the way? Old man...
Were down to 1 car at the minute as both WFH full.time so no need for 2 daily drivers as our mileage is limited. The wife has an EQA 250+ which I've been impressed by. Comfy, lots of kit, well built, handles surprisingly well and plenty quick for daily use plus will do 250-300 miles between charges from a 70kWh battery.My plan is to supplement with something far less practical and petrol powered later this year, just need to decide what..
I'm tempted by a V8 M3 coupe, on the basis it's one of the last of the ICE greats before emissions rules forced turbos and smaller capacity etc. So it's 'peak ICE' in that regard. Everything since that era has essentially been developed to meet emissions regs as much as for the sake of fun/passion.
Also weirdly tempted my a mk1 bmw JCW cooper, with the snicky gearbox and gorgeous supercharger whine... Or an S2000...
TheDeuce said:
I'm tempted by a V8 M3 coupe, on the basis it's one of the last of the ICE greats before emissions rules forced turbos and smaller capacity etc. So it's 'peak ICE' in that regard. Everything since that era has essentially been developed to meet emissions regs as much as for the sake of fun/passion.
I bought my old V8 M3 Coupe back in January 2013 for similar reasons, and I really liked that it was a 4.0 V8 NA engine mated to a 3 pedal manual gearbox(even though the DCT actually suits the engine better arguably).If you do get one, be prepared to live at the petrol station though!
Obviously that won't be an issue if it is only a weekend car though, but I used mine as my daily at the time in fairness. So it ploughed through fuel.
cerb4.5lee said:
TheDeuce said:
I'm tempted by a V8 M3 coupe, on the basis it's one of the last of the ICE greats before emissions rules forced turbos and smaller capacity etc. So it's 'peak ICE' in that regard. Everything since that era has essentially been developed to meet emissions regs as much as for the sake of fun/passion.
I bought my old V8 M3 Coupe back in January 2013 for similar reasons, and I really liked that it was a 4.0 V8 NA engine mated to a 3 pedal manual gearbox(even though the DCT actually suits the engine better arguably).If you do get one, be prepared to live at the petrol station though!
Obviously that won't be an issue if it is only a weekend car though, but I used mine as my daily at the time in fairness. So it ploughed through fuel.
Fuel use is indeed a none issue, It'll be a sunday blast car and maybe a couple of night away trips a year to give it a proper bit of exercise.
Have you enjoyed yours? I love the rev happy V8, it's quite a special engine.
TheDeuce said:
Have you enjoyed yours? I love the rev happy V8, it's quite a special engine.
I absolutely loved what it was great at, for example it's great chassis for a little bit of low speed sideways fun. Plus I also loved third gear at 8400rpm at 110mph, and then a really quick change into fourth, and that was heavenly for me. But with it being my daily, the low mpg, and the relative lack of low down punch did grate a bit on me a fair bit though.You will fall in love with the induction noise that they make I think for sure, and it was the best car I've ever had in that regard for me.
cerb4.5lee said:
TheDeuce said:
Have you enjoyed yours? I love the rev happy V8, it's quite a special engine.
I absolutely loved what it was great at, for example it's great chassis for a little bit of low speed sideways fun. Plus I also loved third gear at 8400rpm at 110mph, and then a really quick change into fourth, and that was heavenly for me. But with it being my daily, the low mpg, and the relative lack of low down punch did grate a bit on me a fair bit though.You will fall in love with the induction noise that they make I think for sure, and it was the best car I've ever had in that regard for me.
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