Burglars using blowtorches to gain entry
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Recently, I heard a locksmith comment that there is a trend to burn a hole in (uPVC) doors to get out the cylinder.
This article suggests an anti-snap cylinder remains effective, but what do you think?
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/uk-news/burgl...
This article suggests an anti-snap cylinder remains effective, but what do you think?
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/uk-news/burgl...
Salted_Peanut said:
Recently, I heard a locksmith comment that there is a trend to burn a hole in (uPVC) doors to get out the cylinder.
This article suggests an anti-snap cylinder remains effective, but what do you think?
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/uk-news/burgl...
As I understand it, the blowtorch is to remove the door handle allowing access to snap the barrel.This article suggests an anti-snap cylinder remains effective, but what do you think?
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/uk-news/burgl...
Using a 2* handle which is much more solid, should prevent this, and having an anti-snap barrel means they can't break the lock anyway.
Test standards are being tightened to reflect other burglary techniques besides blowtorches. Sold Secure lists lock cylinders that pass its new (‘Diamond 2024’) test:
https://www.soldsecure.com/approved-product-search...
The 3-star rating is also being updated (although Sold Secure Diamond was always the tougher test). I doubt all the old 3-star lock cylinders will pass the new 3-star test.
https://www.soldsecure.com/approved-product-search...
The 3-star rating is also being updated (although Sold Secure Diamond was always the tougher test). I doubt all the old 3-star lock cylinders will pass the new 3-star test.
Certainly the older white upvc doors are vulnerable to a blow torch attack where an anti snap lock has been fitted, the white plastic can be melted around the lock to make it come out or to remove door handles.
Quite often the older white UPVC doors can have centre panels which can be kicked through out of the door as well because the beading will give way and the panel then falls out but the disadvantage of that for a burglar is noise.
Quite often the older white UPVC doors can have centre panels which can be kicked through out of the door as well because the beading will give way and the panel then falls out but the disadvantage of that for a burglar is noise.
Jamescrs said:
Certainly the older white upvc doors are vulnerable to a blow torch attack where an anti snap lock has been fitted, the white plastic can be melted around the lock to make it come out or to remove door handles.
Quite often the older white UPVC doors can have centre panels which can be kicked through out of the door as well because the beading will give way and the panel then falls out but the disadvantage of that for a burglar is noise.
Yeah the police love them, a good fart can knock some of those old panels out.Quite often the older white UPVC doors can have centre panels which can be kicked through out of the door as well because the beading will give way and the panel then falls out but the disadvantage of that for a burglar is noise.
While Secured by Design is good for some things, it’s meaningless for euro cylinders.
Regarding euro cylinders specifically, the new ‘Diamond 2024’ standard is the most meaningful:
https://www.soldsecure.com/approved-product-search...
The old 3-star rating was also good, but it’s being revised to reflect newer burglary methods. Manufacturers have until 2027 to pass the updated 3-star test.
Regarding euro cylinders specifically, the new ‘Diamond 2024’ standard is the most meaningful:
https://www.soldsecure.com/approved-product-search...
The old 3-star rating was also good, but it’s being revised to reflect newer burglary methods. Manufacturers have until 2027 to pass the updated 3-star test.
DKL said:
I've spotted a few that seem to be on something called "secured by design" SBP and police recommended. There is a fairly comprehensive website to go with it. Is this actually a thing or just marketing BS?
We had scum trying to break into our house a couple of years ago. On the CCTV you can clearly see them go to the door with a SBD handle and decide not to bother. They then went to break the non SBD handle and lock but the Ultion lock did its job. They failed to get in and went next door where they quickly gained entry and took their car. So, from first hand experience, I’d say the SBD handles do the job. Fit it with an Ultion lock and it should be well up to standard.
I managed to get the blame for locking my daughter and two small kids out of their house last year . Two year old pvc door with latest,most secure locks at that time 2023.
We called a locksmith out .
He looked at the door for 30 seconds and spent another 30 seconds opening it. I actually did not see what he did , it was over in a minute.
No damage to door.
We called a locksmith out .
He looked at the door for 30 seconds and spent another 30 seconds opening it. I actually did not see what he did , it was over in a minute.
No damage to door.
cliffords said:
I managed to get the blame for locking my daughter and two small kids out of their house last year . Two year old pvc door with latest,most secure locks at that time 2023.
We called a locksmith out .
He looked at the door for 30 seconds and spent another 30 seconds opening it. I actually did not see what he did , it was over in a minute.
No damage to door.
It's still perfectly possible to pick the vast majority of locks, but it's much more skilled (especially if it's more than just raking) than a blunt force attack.We called a locksmith out .
He looked at the door for 30 seconds and spent another 30 seconds opening it. I actually did not see what he did , it was over in a minute.
No damage to door.
Evanivitch said:
cliffords said:
I managed to get the blame for locking my daughter and two small kids out of their house last year . Two year old pvc door with latest,most secure locks at that time 2023.
We called a locksmith out .
He looked at the door for 30 seconds and spent another 30 seconds opening it. I actually did not see what he did , it was over in a minute.
No damage to door.
It's still perfectly possible to pick the vast majority of locks, but it's much more skilled (especially if it's more than just raking) than a blunt force attack.We called a locksmith out .
He looked at the door for 30 seconds and spent another 30 seconds opening it. I actually did not see what he did , it was over in a minute.
No damage to door.
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