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In F1 terms, what is significant about this corner??
mystery1 by WilliaM340i, on Flickr
What happened, when? to whom?
mystery1 by WilliaM340i, on FlickrWhat happened, when? to whom?
sleepezy said:
Portugal - Moss and Hawthorn
This.https://www.google.com/maps/@41.170526,-8.6571368,...
Very clever, so T3 (in modern parlance) at (O)porto. Circuit Boavista 1958, Portugese GP : Hawthorn spun out at this corner and was adjudged by the stewards to have rejoined the circuit against the flow of traffic. Moss appealed against Hawthorn’s DSQ and his 2nd place finish was reinstated. Hawthorn went on to win the ‘58 WDC by one point.
These days it would be a radio message “that Ferrari rejoined unsafely, you need to report it - OK Max we saw it, we’re on it”.
Gentler times - somewhere on the pavement there is a plaque dedicated to the memory of Stirling.
It’s a great theme that could run along nicely. So where is this and who was on pole ?
These days it would be a radio message “that Ferrari rejoined unsafely, you need to report it - OK Max we saw it, we’re on it”.
Gentler times - somewhere on the pavement there is a plaque dedicated to the memory of Stirling.
It’s a great theme that could run along nicely. So where is this and who was on pole ?
Edited by moffspeed on Friday 3rd January 11:32
williamp said:
In F1 terms, what is significant about this corner??
mystery1 by WilliaM340i, on Flickr
What happened, when? to whom?
Yes well done. The 1958 Portugese GP was held around Porto, and this corner helped decide the WDC for 1958. The track would have had cars arriving from the left and turning down the road (what the Golf is doing now... and the Transit has presumable applied too much power and got a tank slapper on).mystery1 by WilliaM340i, on FlickrWhat happened, when? to whom?
However Hawthron's brakes were failing fast.
He was P2 behind Moss, but everyone else had been lapped by Moss so when Moss took the flag (just behind Hawthorn on the track) he had 1 racing lap to go, whereas everyone else had seen the flag so were not racing anymore. Hawthorn had to complete the 50th lap to get P2. If he didnt, he would have completed 49 laps and been way down the field.
His brakes failed completely, and he went straight on (from left-right in this image). He tried to turn around but stalled the engine (twice) and had to push start it (twice).
Moss, who had stopped on his cool down lap saw the whole thing and was able to testify- against what the Marshalls said- that he pushed the car onto the pavement (and not the track) when going against the direction of the race. This was allowed (the pavement not being part of the track) . Had he reversed the car whilst on the track that would have been DQ.
Had Moss not said anything he would have been WDC and not Hawthorn. (Moss 41 points with 4 wins and 2 fastest laps, Hawthorn 2nd on 39 points from 1 win and 1 fastest lap).
Also, on lap 48 Hawthron didnt quite make a corner and hit a straw bale. Moss and his team mate Lewis-Evans (who was 3rd on the track) could have overtaken (lapped) Hawthron then, but dropped back behind Hawthorn and stayed there. the condition of hawthorns brakes there is no doubt Moss could have overtaken him had he wished- then hawthorn would have been last.
Still, theres always next year Stirling...
moffspeed said:
Very clever, so T3 (in modern parlance) at (O)porto. Circuit Boavista 1958, Portugese GP : Hawthorn spun out at this corner and was adjudged by the stewards to have rejoined the circuit against the flow of traffic. Moss appealed against Hawthorn’s DSQ and his 2nd place finish was reinstated. Hawthorn went on to win the ‘58 WDC by one point.
These days it would be a radio message “that Ferrari rejoined unsafely, you need to report it - OK Max we saw it, we’re on it”.
Gentler times - somewhere on the pavement there is a plaque dedicated to the memory of Stirling.
It’s a great theme that could run along nicely. So where is this and who was on pole ?
Is that where Brooklands used to be? In which case no-one lined up on pole. These days it would be a radio message “that Ferrari rejoined unsafely, you need to report it - OK Max we saw it, we’re on it”.
Gentler times - somewhere on the pavement there is a plaque dedicated to the memory of Stirling.
It’s a great theme that could run along nicely. So where is this and who was on pole ?
https://www.goldenera.fi/gp2609.htm#34
Sandpit Steve said:
moffspeed said:
Very clever, so T3 (in modern parlance) at (O)porto. Circuit Boavista 1958, Portugese GP : Hawthorn spun out at this corner and was adjudged by the stewards to have rejoined the circuit against the flow of traffic. Moss appealed against Hawthorn’s DSQ and his 2nd place finish was reinstated. Hawthorn went on to win the ‘58 WDC by one point.
These days it would be a radio message “that Ferrari rejoined unsafely, you need to report it - OK Max we saw it, we’re on it”.
Gentler times - somewhere on the pavement there is a plaque dedicated to the memory of Stirling.
It’s a great theme that could run along nicely. So where is this and who was on pole ?
Is that where Brooklands used to be? In which case no-one lined up on pole. These days it would be a radio message “that Ferrari rejoined unsafely, you need to report it - OK Max we saw it, we’re on it”.
Gentler times - somewhere on the pavement there is a plaque dedicated to the memory of Stirling.
It’s a great theme that could run along nicely. So where is this and who was on pole ?
https://www.goldenera.fi/gp2609.htm#34
Just a reminder this is a “straight” with a significant F1 connection - but not necessarily as part of a current/past circuit.
Edited by moffspeed on Friday 3rd January 16:41
Sandpit Steve said:
Is that where Brooklands used to be? In which case no-one lined up on pole.
https://www.goldenera.fi/gp2609.htm#34
Good shout but I don't think it's Brooklands, I live down the road from it and have driven round as close/much as you can, inside and out and that does not look familiar at all. https://www.goldenera.fi/gp2609.htm#34
moffspeed said:
Sandpit Steve said:
moffspeed said:
Very clever, so T3 (in modern parlance) at (O)porto. Circuit Boavista 1958, Portugese GP : Hawthorn spun out at this corner and was adjudged by the stewards to have rejoined the circuit against the flow of traffic. Moss appealed against Hawthorn’s DSQ and his 2nd place finish was reinstated. Hawthorn went on to win the ‘58 WDC by one point.
These days it would be a radio message “that Ferrari rejoined unsafely, you need to report it - OK Max we saw it, we’re on it”.
Gentler times - somewhere on the pavement there is a plaque dedicated to the memory of Stirling.
It’s a great theme that could run along nicely. So where is this and who was on pole ?
Is that where Brooklands used to be? In which case no-one lined up on pole. These days it would be a radio message “that Ferrari rejoined unsafely, you need to report it - OK Max we saw it, we’re on it”.
Gentler times - somewhere on the pavement there is a plaque dedicated to the memory of Stirling.
It’s a great theme that could run along nicely. So where is this and who was on pole ?
https://www.goldenera.fi/gp2609.htm#34
Just a reminder this is a “straight” with a significant F1 connection - but not necessarily as part of a current/past circuit.
Edited by moffspeed on Friday 3rd January 16:41
moffspeed said:
The garage does play a part in the story.
Further clue - there is a top-class national racing circuit within a couple of miles of where this photo was taken. During the 1950’s / early 60’s countless Continent-bound racing teams would have passed through this town..
There's something familiar that suggests this is close to Brands Hatch which might fit with the other clues but how it fits to the wider story I have no idea.Further clue - there is a top-class national racing circuit within a couple of miles of where this photo was taken. During the 1950’s / early 60’s countless Continent-bound racing teams would have passed through this town..
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