M135i to a Mustang GT V8 or C63
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Currently own a BMW M135i stage 2, around 380bhp. It's fast, but I am bored of it. It's not particularly fun, handles poor and I just don't care about driving it.
I used to own an MR2 and whilst it wasn't fast, it felt so special, just getting in the car and driving it felt like an event. That is what I am looking for in my next car I suppose, but with 4 seats.
The next car needs to be as fast if not faster than the M135i, handle better and also feel special every time I drive it. I am currently down to the Mustang V8 and the C63 W204. As far as looks go, I prefer the Mustang much more.
How does the Mustang handle compared to the C63 and my M135i? How will it be in terms of power and speed?
I used to own an MR2 and whilst it wasn't fast, it felt so special, just getting in the car and driving it felt like an event. That is what I am looking for in my next car I suppose, but with 4 seats.
The next car needs to be as fast if not faster than the M135i, handle better and also feel special every time I drive it. I am currently down to the Mustang V8 and the C63 W204. As far as looks go, I prefer the Mustang much more.
How does the Mustang handle compared to the C63 and my M135i? How will it be in terms of power and speed?
Not driven the 135 but have driven the mustang V8 and as much as I like the grunt and power I don’t think I’d give up a bmw for one. Mustang V8 was always a car I wanted at some point, then I had the chance to drive one about and whilst I love the looks, noise and power, get over that and it’s just a Ford inside and didn’t feel particularly special although this was a 2016 one so newer ones might be better inside now.
It scratched the itch I had for one.
I’d imagine your own would probably handle better than the mustang but I’m sure someone else would know better.
I think the mr2 would’ve been more fun just coz it’s a smaller sports car with less power than the 135 and so you drive it harder which for some reason is more fun than than a capable car.
It scratched the itch I had for one.
I’d imagine your own would probably handle better than the mustang but I’m sure someone else would know better.
I think the mr2 would’ve been more fun just coz it’s a smaller sports car with less power than the 135 and so you drive it harder which for some reason is more fun than than a capable car.
Edited by Geffg on Tuesday 24th December 15:11
Edited by Geffg on Tuesday 24th December 15:14
SiberianHills said:
Currently own a BMW M135i stage 2, around 380bhp. It's fast, but I am bored of it. It's not particularly fun, handles poor and I just don't care about driving it.
I used to own an MR2 and whilst it wasn't fast, it felt so special, just getting in the car and driving it felt like an event. That is what I am looking for in my next car I suppose, but with 4 seats.
The next car needs to be as fast if not faster than the M135i, handle better and also feel special every time I drive it. I am currently down to the Mustang V8 and the C63 W204. As far as looks go, I prefer the Mustang much more.
How does the Mustang handle compared to the C63 and my M135i? How will it be in terms of power and speed?
The Mustang will be a disappointment in terms of build quality with it's cheap plastic compared to both the BMW and Merc but once youI used to own an MR2 and whilst it wasn't fast, it felt so special, just getting in the car and driving it felt like an event. That is what I am looking for in my next car I suppose, but with 4 seats.
The next car needs to be as fast if not faster than the M135i, handle better and also feel special every time I drive it. I am currently down to the Mustang V8 and the C63 W204. As far as looks go, I prefer the Mustang much more.
How does the Mustang handle compared to the C63 and my M135i? How will it be in terms of power and speed?
get over that providing you buy a manual V8 fitted with a aftermarket exhaust the car will put the biggest grin on your face as it wags it's tail down the road,
Lots of drama ,every drive will be a event with lots of thumbs up ,
After saying all that the Merc would be the better choice if using your head instead of your heart.
Edited by ratrod 2 on Tuesday 24th December 16:34
I have a 140i and my wife has a MY2019 GT manual. The Mustang is much more of an event to start up and drive, the power delivery on it is very linear and keeps pulling up to the redline compared to the BMW turbo pause then surge.
The Mustang is her daily and she has a great rural A road to travel to work and is well behaved on the undulating road surface staying composed and controllable, she also uses unnamed almost single track rural roads and it comfortably deals with them at decent speeds . The traction control barely exists compared to the 140i and she says in the cold/wet you can't get the power down until you are definitely in a straight line, but the cornering isn't bad for a heavy car.
When she got her first Mustang (MY2107) I booked a day at Millbrook with an instructor so that she could use the Line Lock in a controllable area which was impressive with the car disappearing completely in tyre smoke and then emerging from it at high speed. Then she took it on the adverse handling course and it represented itself very well according to the instructor guiding her. I was in the back and had to bail after a few laps
In winter it needs winter tyres fitted, otherwise pulling out of junctions/on to roundabouts etc becomes... interesting, with delayed pull away and sideways moments.
It is comfortable on long journeys in summer and winter with heated and cooled seats.
The Mustang gets attention in car parks/petrol stations, its bright green, not indistinctive grey/black etc, and many point at it when in town.
Reliability is good, servicing is cheap (Ford rates) but the OEM brake disks are stupidly expensive.
My140i is auto, so is a very different drive and the traffic light grandprix is fairy close between them up to motorway NSL but then the Mustang pulls away quite easily, unless she has the winters on which stick like glue and has great traction in the dry and disappears
Jumping between the 2 cars takes a few moments of adjustment as the Mustang bonnet is long and high but doesn't cause any issues. and the handling is different mostly due to weight difference. The brakes are very good on the Mustang compared to the BMW.
We haven't followed each other recently on the A/B road as I've not had the 140i very long, but if I didn't have adaptive suspension I'm fairly sure I'd find it hard to keep up even in the corners at NSL++ speeds.
You probably need to drive both the Merc and the Ford for your own perspective. Good luck what ever you choose
The Mustang is her daily and she has a great rural A road to travel to work and is well behaved on the undulating road surface staying composed and controllable, she also uses unnamed almost single track rural roads and it comfortably deals with them at decent speeds . The traction control barely exists compared to the 140i and she says in the cold/wet you can't get the power down until you are definitely in a straight line, but the cornering isn't bad for a heavy car.
When she got her first Mustang (MY2107) I booked a day at Millbrook with an instructor so that she could use the Line Lock in a controllable area which was impressive with the car disappearing completely in tyre smoke and then emerging from it at high speed. Then she took it on the adverse handling course and it represented itself very well according to the instructor guiding her. I was in the back and had to bail after a few laps
In winter it needs winter tyres fitted, otherwise pulling out of junctions/on to roundabouts etc becomes... interesting, with delayed pull away and sideways moments.
It is comfortable on long journeys in summer and winter with heated and cooled seats.
The Mustang gets attention in car parks/petrol stations, its bright green, not indistinctive grey/black etc, and many point at it when in town.
Reliability is good, servicing is cheap (Ford rates) but the OEM brake disks are stupidly expensive.
My140i is auto, so is a very different drive and the traffic light grandprix is fairy close between them up to motorway NSL but then the Mustang pulls away quite easily, unless she has the winters on which stick like glue and has great traction in the dry and disappears
Jumping between the 2 cars takes a few moments of adjustment as the Mustang bonnet is long and high but doesn't cause any issues. and the handling is different mostly due to weight difference. The brakes are very good on the Mustang compared to the BMW.
We haven't followed each other recently on the A/B road as I've not had the 140i very long, but if I didn't have adaptive suspension I'm fairly sure I'd find it hard to keep up even in the corners at NSL++ speeds.
You probably need to drive both the Merc and the Ford for your own perspective. Good luck what ever you choose
I went from an M140i with the zf8 I bought new and ran for three years to a manual gt mustang I bought new and have now owned for five years.
The B58 engine is amazing and the car even in standard went like a scalded cat when you wanted it to, yet could do 50mpg on a run (least I could on my work commute).
I have not one single regret going to the mustang (well one, my wife is still annoyed that I sold the car after telling her she could have it once I found my next car!)
It still makes me smile every time I start it up and I still smile when I come home in my commute car and see it parked up.
It isn't as fast as a standard m140i though and will be significantly slower than a tuned m135i, but if you want more power than you can have c750bhp for change from £15k, then not much is quicker! A friend has a supercharged mustang with 862bhp and it's savagely quick almost mclaren worrying.
I've never really understood the arguement of interior build quality either, especially against a 1 series where the pleather is frankly crap and BMW seats have nothing on the mustangs in terms of comfort and unlike car reviewers I don't think I've ever felt the urge to feel the plastic under the dash and bemoan the fact it's a bit scratchy!
Tech wise, 2018 facelift mustangs are very good on the tech and comfort front, heated/cooled seats, heated wheel, adaptive cruise, lane assist, full digi display, android auto and carplay, decentish sound system, basically far better than a 1 series can offer.
Annoyances?
Passenger wing mirror adjustment not adapted for RHD, so it pretty much useless for reversing or parking
Centre console not adapted for RHD so cup holders are used instead of changing gear!
No front parking sensors, but it has rear and a camera! Half the car is bonnet and they didn't think to put any sensors on!
FInal point, the customisation and tuning available on mustangs is almost endless, so if you find yourself getting bored, change something!
You won't regret the change
The B58 engine is amazing and the car even in standard went like a scalded cat when you wanted it to, yet could do 50mpg on a run (least I could on my work commute).
I have not one single regret going to the mustang (well one, my wife is still annoyed that I sold the car after telling her she could have it once I found my next car!)
It still makes me smile every time I start it up and I still smile when I come home in my commute car and see it parked up.
It isn't as fast as a standard m140i though and will be significantly slower than a tuned m135i, but if you want more power than you can have c750bhp for change from £15k, then not much is quicker! A friend has a supercharged mustang with 862bhp and it's savagely quick almost mclaren worrying.
I've never really understood the arguement of interior build quality either, especially against a 1 series where the pleather is frankly crap and BMW seats have nothing on the mustangs in terms of comfort and unlike car reviewers I don't think I've ever felt the urge to feel the plastic under the dash and bemoan the fact it's a bit scratchy!
Tech wise, 2018 facelift mustangs are very good on the tech and comfort front, heated/cooled seats, heated wheel, adaptive cruise, lane assist, full digi display, android auto and carplay, decentish sound system, basically far better than a 1 series can offer.
Annoyances?
Passenger wing mirror adjustment not adapted for RHD, so it pretty much useless for reversing or parking
Centre console not adapted for RHD so cup holders are used instead of changing gear!
No front parking sensors, but it has rear and a camera! Half the car is bonnet and they didn't think to put any sensors on!
FInal point, the customisation and tuning available on mustangs is almost endless, so if you find yourself getting bored, change something!
You won't regret the change
Should have also said, with stock suspension both the M140 and mustang are twitchy. Birds sorts out handling on the m135/140 and there's plenty of options for mustangs. I went for KW clubsport V3's which has transformed the handling and confidence. You can also get the stop the hop kit which takes out even more of the twitch from the rear of the car.
I've daily driven my 2016 gt for 2 years and still feels special every time I drive it. Now got a hybrid turbo fiesta st to split the miles and if I go a week without driving the mustang I genuinely forget how much fun it is. Anyone who says its not special must either be comparing to something in a different league or not be driving it properly.
It's had a few bits done to it to sort the handling and drives very well but it's still a big boat of a car to some extent. Still chuckable on the right road and sound/lairyness can't be beaten. Plus you bolt on some forced induction and 800+ bhp is easily achievable (mines getting done in april 😀)
It's very different from BMW/VAG inside. I prefer it but can see why others don't.
If you like old school brute force it can't be beaten especially by a BM
It's had a few bits done to it to sort the handling and drives very well but it's still a big boat of a car to some extent. Still chuckable on the right road and sound/lairyness can't be beaten. Plus you bolt on some forced induction and 800+ bhp is easily achievable (mines getting done in april 😀)
It's very different from BMW/VAG inside. I prefer it but can see why others don't.
If you like old school brute force it can't be beaten especially by a BM
I recently went from a 2021 BRZ to a 2019 Mustang Bullitt.
While the Mustang handles nowhere near as well as the BRZ it handles better than I was expecting.
I find myself adding the phrase "For an American V8" to the end of statements. It handles well for an American V8, Its built quite well for an American V8, Its reasonable to run for an American V8 etc etc
The other cars you mention will feel sharper but at the very least try a Mustang, you'll know within a few minutes if it's for you.
As already mentioned I get why people don't gel with them but a few months in and I understand why Mustang owners are so passionate
While the Mustang handles nowhere near as well as the BRZ it handles better than I was expecting.
I find myself adding the phrase "For an American V8" to the end of statements. It handles well for an American V8, Its built quite well for an American V8, Its reasonable to run for an American V8 etc etc
The other cars you mention will feel sharper but at the very least try a Mustang, you'll know within a few minutes if it's for you.
As already mentioned I get why people don't gel with them but a few months in and I understand why Mustang owners are so passionate
QuattroDave said:
Annoyances?
Passenger wing mirror adjustment not adapted for RHD, so it pretty much useless for reversing or parking
Centre console not adapted for RHD so cup holders are used instead of changing gear!
No front parking sensors, but it has rear and a camera! Half the car is bonnet and they didn't think to put any sensors on!
I've just bought a 2024 Mustang and what I find hilarious is that for all the changes they made (it's a heavy facelift, really), they did not fix a single item you mention here. Passenger wing mirror adjustment not adapted for RHD, so it pretty much useless for reversing or parking
Centre console not adapted for RHD so cup holders are used instead of changing gear!
No front parking sensors, but it has rear and a camera! Half the car is bonnet and they didn't think to put any sensors on!
The passenger wing mirror caught me out the other day as I tried to adjust it only to find it hitting its limits of adjustment. I assumed it was misaligned but I guess that's just how they are, sir.
SweptVolume said:
QuattroDave said:
Annoyances?
Passenger wing mirror adjustment not adapted for RHD, so it pretty much useless for reversing or parking
Centre console not adapted for RHD so cup holders are used instead of changing gear!
No front parking sensors, but it has rear and a camera! Half the car is bonnet and they didn't think to put any sensors on!
I've just bought a 2024 Mustang and what I find hilarious is that for all the changes they made (it's a heavy facelift, really), they did not fix a single item you mention here. Passenger wing mirror adjustment not adapted for RHD, so it pretty much useless for reversing or parking
Centre console not adapted for RHD so cup holders are used instead of changing gear!
No front parking sensors, but it has rear and a camera! Half the car is bonnet and they didn't think to put any sensors on!
The passenger wing mirror caught me out the other day as I tried to adjust it only to find it hitting its limits of adjustment. I assumed it was misaligned but I guess that's just how they are, sir.
How are you getting on with your (correct to say) heavily facelifted S650? I've poked around one and couldn't see enough changes to warrant changing from my 2019 S550, especially as like for like they're slower!!
Those door mirrors on the mach1 are the cheapest plastic crap also the green dash tick for the seat belts are really annoying on the dash ,see the new s650 Mustang is offered by dealers at a discount on list in the UK. correct if i,m wrong but the s650 has vinyl seats.
Edited by yzr500 on Wednesday 15th January 00:00
QuattroDave said:
SweptVolume said:
QuattroDave said:
Annoyances?
Passenger wing mirror adjustment not adapted for RHD, so it pretty much useless for reversing or parking
Centre console not adapted for RHD so cup holders are used instead of changing gear!
No front parking sensors, but it has rear and a camera! Half the car is bonnet and they didn't think to put any sensors on!
I've just bought a 2024 Mustang and what I find hilarious is that for all the changes they made (it's a heavy facelift, really), they did not fix a single item you mention here. Passenger wing mirror adjustment not adapted for RHD, so it pretty much useless for reversing or parking
Centre console not adapted for RHD so cup holders are used instead of changing gear!
No front parking sensors, but it has rear and a camera! Half the car is bonnet and they didn't think to put any sensors on!
The passenger wing mirror caught me out the other day as I tried to adjust it only to find it hitting its limits of adjustment. I assumed it was misaligned but I guess that's just how they are, sir.
How are you getting on with your (correct to say) heavily facelifted S650? I've poked around one and couldn't see enough changes to warrant changing from my 2019 S550, especially as like for like they're slower!!
I don't see the new one as being worth the upgrade if you already have a 2019 S550 as the changes are - dashboard aside - relatively subtle.
SweptVolume said:
QuattroDave said:
SweptVolume said:
QuattroDave said:
Annoyances?
Passenger wing mirror adjustment not adapted for RHD, so it pretty much useless for reversing or parking
Centre console not adapted for RHD so cup holders are used instead of changing gear!
No front parking sensors, but it has rear and a camera! Half the car is bonnet and they didn't think to put any sensors on!
I've just bought a 2024 Mustang and what I find hilarious is that for all the changes they made (it's a heavy facelift, really), they did not fix a single item you mention here. Passenger wing mirror adjustment not adapted for RHD, so it pretty much useless for reversing or parking
Centre console not adapted for RHD so cup holders are used instead of changing gear!
No front parking sensors, but it has rear and a camera! Half the car is bonnet and they didn't think to put any sensors on!
The passenger wing mirror caught me out the other day as I tried to adjust it only to find it hitting its limits of adjustment. I assumed it was misaligned but I guess that's just how they are, sir.
How are you getting on with your (correct to say) heavily facelifted S650? I've poked around one and couldn't see enough changes to warrant changing from my 2019 S550, especially as like for like they're slower!!
I don't see the new one as being worth the upgrade if you already have a 2019 S550 as the changes are - dashboard aside - relatively subtle.
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