Marriage ultimatum

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MyM2006

Original Poster:

252 posts

156 months

Sunday 22nd December 2024
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Looking for a reality check, alternative view.

Have been with my partner for 7 years, living together for the last 3. We have discussed marriage quite a few times since we got together and I always said we would need to live together before I proposed, having now lived together I am dragging my heels and she has said that if I dont propose in next 6 months she's leaving.

We're both mid 40's, work, similar wages, I make slightly more and pay in a couple of hundred more monthly to our joint account for bills however there is a considerable imbalance in assets due to my saving, investments and some inheritance, I have bought the house we live in 1M+, theres a smallish mortgage outstanding, I also have another property I rent out and have a share in a family business, she has about 50K in savings. Whenever the subject of marriage is brought up by her the reasoning is that I should want to marry her and share what I have, the house etc with her, to give her security and that it shows Im commited and yet the argument goes the route of im the one with the assets and more risk and this obviously doesnt end well. Every time she brings this up I shy away from wanting to propose to her, I think of all the things I love about her but cant get over the way she is trying to demand something from me.

She had leukaemia 5 and a half years ago which she has thankfully recovered from but supporting her through that doesnt seem to show suitable commitment. She has had early menopause as a sideaffect of the treatment and I dont know if these arguments are related to this or I am just being unfair to her and this is totally justified.

She suggested couples counselling and I agreed but so far she hasn't taken me up on it.

Arrivalist

1,086 posts

11 months

Sunday 22nd December 2024
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Anyone got a spare popcorn smiley?

simon_harris

2,004 posts

46 months

Sunday 22nd December 2024
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Say you will propose right after she signs a pre-nup.

ConnectionError

2,033 posts

81 months

Sunday 22nd December 2024
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I would be hesitant without a prenuptial agreement, that she is unlikely to agree to.

My step mother delights in telling people she only married my father for money.

She did.

His situation was very similar to yours.

He now regrets it, and the damage it has caused.

Mobile Chicane

21,448 posts

224 months

Sunday 22nd December 2024
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Sounds heartless I know, but personally I would avoid, unless there's some tax advantage to being married.

If she wants to fk off, she can.

Jayzee

2,570 posts

216 months

Sunday 22nd December 2024
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simon_harris said:
Say you will propose right after she signs a pre-nup.
This, absolutely. I have a bad feeling about her…

essayer

10,037 posts

206 months

Sunday 22nd December 2024
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You should speak to someone about how your existing side of the coin would be split if you split after 1, 5, 10 years.
BUT
Money seems quite a focus of your post. Isn’t marriage more than that?

Dbag101

1,023 posts

6 months

Sunday 22nd December 2024
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I’ve always made it very clear, right from the start of any relationships, that marriage is never on the cards. It saves a massive ballache in the long run. Some are cool with it ( for a while ) some aren’t, and jog on. They tend to all jog on eventually, when they realise I’m not going to cave in. I’m cool with that. I suggest you pick a road, and stick to it. If you cave on this, you’ll be finding yourself caving on lots of things in future ( I reckon ). I’m not fundamentally against marriage, it’s just not a comfortable concept for me.

MyM2006

Original Poster:

252 posts

156 months

Sunday 22nd December 2024
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essayer said:
BUT
Money seems quite a focus of your post. Isn’t marriage more than that?
I completely agree with this but one of her main arguments for marriage is her security.

grumbledoak

32,055 posts

245 months

Sunday 22nd December 2024
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If you haven't married her in seven years why would you do it now?

TownIdiot

3,059 posts

11 months

Sunday 22nd December 2024
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MyM2006 said:
I completely agree with this but one of her main arguments for marriage is her security.
How would you feel about telling her to sling her hook?

spookly

4,253 posts

107 months

Sunday 22nd December 2024
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Sounds like it isn't something you want to do, and are feeling pressured by her?

Would you be happy staying together and never marrying?

So, what's in it for you?
Cons are obvious. Potentially even with a pre-nup you could lose a lot of what you've worked for.

MC Bodge

24,127 posts

187 months

Sunday 22nd December 2024
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MyM2006 said:
essayer said:
BUT
Money seems quite a focus of your post. Isn’t marriage more than that?
I completely agree with this but one of her main arguments for marriage is her security.
Forgive me, but it all sounds very transactional and more than a little dysfunctional.

Dog Biscuit

661 posts

9 months

Sunday 22nd December 2024
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OK, all the stuff about assets, wages and shares etc...All irrelevant if you truly love and want to be with her, to commit to her and spend the rest of your life with her as a married couple.

If you are suspicious of her motives then there is a lack of trust - a successful marriage relies on trust.

I think you need to face your feelings and assess if she's the one for you.


Hugo Stiglitz

38,922 posts

223 months

Sunday 22nd December 2024
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Why does she need to get married?

Really, got to mid 40s without it. Does she think she'll be happily married to someone new?

dave123456

3,314 posts

159 months

Sunday 22nd December 2024
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MyM2006 said:
essayer said:
BUT
Money seems quite a focus of your post. Isn’t marriage more than that?
I completely agree with this but one of her main arguments for marriage is her security.
Puzzling. Her security, as an adult, is down to her. Unless she can demonstrate that you have somehow diminished her earning power in the time that you have been together.

Unfortunately she’s at an age when she will feel rather insecure, however her behaviour hithwrto suggests the moment you are married she will become a different person and you will regret it.

So substitute negotiating power for security and her motive maybe clear.

AllyM

448 posts

188 months

Sunday 22nd December 2024
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You already know the answer.

Mojooo

13,147 posts

192 months

Sunday 22nd December 2024
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Taking the woman's view for a moment - I think she is entitled to want to marry unless you have said otherwise.

MC Bodge

24,127 posts

187 months

Sunday 22nd December 2024
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The people that I know who talk endlessly about money (often people who have a fair amount of it) and keep tabs on the financial balance sheet of their relationship tend to be the ones who don't stay in those relationships.

PhilboSE

5,037 posts

238 months

Sunday 22nd December 2024
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MyM2006 said:
essayer said:
BUT
Money seems quite a focus of your post. Isn’t marriage more than that?
I completely agree with this but one of her main arguments for marriage is her security.
The reasons for marriage should surely be because you want to make a commitment to be partners for the rest of your lives.

The way you’ve written it suggests her motivations are primarily for the financial security she’ll get as a consequence. That doesn’t strike me as the right reason.

I’m more pro-marriage than the average PHer it seems, but if that’s a fair reflection of her reasons then I’d be suggesting to swerve.