Harry just posted an update on his 650s ...

[jerrytlr]

Just a heads up in case anyone interested :-)

[Super Sonic]

Is it good?

[samoht]

Thanks for the heads-up.

IMO he covers things pretty well. I'm really glad he's gone to V, I think he's well set up for a continued positive ownership experience now.

[supersport]

Made me sad that my car is shut away in the garage. Looos like decent weather this week. So could stop being sad.

[Calculator]

Out of interest, what will happen to it if you drive it this time of year?

[Rusty Old-Banger]

Calculator said:

Out of interest, what will happen to it if you drive it this time of year?

You might need to use the lights and windscreen wipers. Maybe even the heater.

Edit because I'm thick and didn't understand the context

Edited by Rusty Old-Banger on Monday 16th December 09:01

[samoht]

If you go out late when the roads are quiet, in winter it'll be dark unlike in summer. Maybe less of an issue depending on how remote an area you live.

It's also tricky to find a day when the roads are consistently dry and you can get enough warmth into the tyres to really lean on the car.

Not McLaren-specific problems exactly.

But yeah if you just want to go somewhere it's absolutely fine, especially on MPS4 rubber.

[Bispal]

I had my service (675LT) at V a few days after Harry. Been using V a couple of years now they are fantastic and much more knowledgeable than the main dealers (IMO) and better value. I also use my car through winter, 16k miles in 5 years with no adverse impacts.

If you are able to use V I 100% recommend them.

I think Harry was spot on with his comments about the P11 cars being all good and the post 2020 cars getting some of that goodness back. When production was ramped up for the initial sports series and 720s, quality did appear to take a tumble. Its great to see McLaren back to where they were in the P11 days.

Edited by Bispal on Monday 16th December 09:26

[andymc]

I accepted a trade bid on my 650 last week, only covered 400 miles last year plus a break in at my car garage (where it is usually stored) has led me to question if I can afford it.

[davek_964]

andymc said:

I accepted a trade bid on my 650 last week, only covered 400 miles last year plus a break in at my car garage (where it is usually stored) has led me to question if I can afford it.

Why would a break in affect whether you can afford it - surely it's insured?

I dread to think what a trade bid would be. Is it not worth trying SOR with a respected dealer?

[macdeb]

Always like his videos and good to see him so enthusiastic about the brand. Interestingly though is comments on gear change with no mention of the 'pre-cog' first click on paddles. Many other less worthwhile videos don't mention it either.

[JayK12]

Great video, my VO 570 hiding behind them in the "picture shot" next to my friends VO 675.

I use my as much as I can, and still am, so many dry days. With PS4S is fine, and you don't need to drive it at 10/10ths everywhere haha. Its just nice to drive.

Harry's videos do make me want to change to a spider and 650 to experience the super series suspension.

[12pack]

macdeb said:

Always like his videos and good to see him so enthusiastic about the brand. Interestingly though is comments on gear change with no mention of the 'pre-cog' first click on paddles. Many other less worthwhile videos don't mention it either.

Pre-cog removed on the 650 and replaced with firmware that allows faster changes in either direction regardless of what is anticipated.

[davek_964]

He was a tad off with the McLaren warranty cost - "I think it was £6k-7k".

It's not cheap, but it's a hell of a lot less than that!

[12pack]

JayK12 said:

Great video, my VO 570 hiding behind them in the "picture shot" next to my friends VO 675.

I use my as much as I can, and still am, so many dry days. With PS4S is fine, and you don't need to drive it at 10/10ths everywhere haha. Its just nice to drive.

Harry's videos do make me want to change to a spider and 650 to experience the super series suspension.

Actually I enjoy greasy conditions on PS4S’s to manage lower speed drifts on quiet roundabouts on my usual Sunday morning drive.

Only advice is to be carful if accelerating in 3rd or higher from low revs - the torque hit at 4-5k revs unsettles the rear end. Better to stay in lower gears for the most linear response.

Edited by 12pack on Tuesday 17th December 13:14

[JayK12]

12pack said:

JayK12 said:

Great video, my VO 570 hiding behind them in the "picture shot" next to my friends VO 675.

I use my as much as I can, and still am, so many dry days. With PS4S is fine, and you don't need to drive it at 10/10ths everywhere haha. Its just nice to drive.

Harry's videos do make me want to change to a spider and 650 to experience the super series suspension.

Actually I enjoy greasy conditions on PS4S’s to manage lower speed drifts on quiet roundabouts on my usual Sunday morning drive.

Only advise is to be carful if accelerating in 3rd or higher from low revs - the torque hit at 4-5k revs unsettles the rear end. Better to stay in lower gears for the most linear response.

Yeah they certainly do make move around a bit more. I've been out today, nice and dry had some fun, I think its raining for the rest of the week

[LotusJas]

davek_964 said:

He was a tad off with the McLaren warranty cost - "I think it was £6k-7k".

It's not cheap, but it's a hell of a lot less than that!

Sounds like the cost to extend for 2 years, not 1.

[DeuceDeuce]

I would have thought Thorney would be more convenient than V Engineering for Harry.

I believe they both have a great reputation but is V Engineering meant to be the best?

[RSbandit]

Haven’t heard a bad word spoken about V, Thorney seems to be a bit of a character and not loved by all but haven’t dealt with either personally.

[samoht]

DeuceDeuce said:

I would have thought Thorney would be more convenient than V Engineering for Harry.

I believe they both have a great reputation but is V Engineering meant to be the best?

Yes, but it's the difference between ~45 and ~55 minutes so probably not decisive.

What drew me to V specifically was that Paul and Steve each worked for ten years at McLaren c.2010-2020, so where they deviate from "factory" procedures they're doing so with full knowledge. Also, my car tends to be one of the cheaper cars in their workshop; alongside 675LTs, P1s & Sennas I've also seen a Daytona and Miura in there. So all that together gives me confidence that I'm making a reasonable decision to trust them.