Brits prefer socialism to capitalism
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https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/brits-p...
The four most popular ideologies in Britain are environmentalism, feminism, liberalism and socialism
Looks like PHers are way out of touch with the populace then.
Who they hell were they polling??
The four most popular ideologies in Britain are environmentalism, feminism, liberalism and socialism
Looks like PHers are way out of touch with the populace then.
Who they hell were they polling??
s1962a said:
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/brits-p...
The four most popular ideologies in Britain are environmentalism, feminism, liberalism and socialism
Looks like PHers are way out of touch with the populace then.
Who they hell were they polling??
Assuming all the standard provisos about polling and surveys from publications with agendas, it's not all that surprising. Loads of people will say that they like the idea or theory of socialism while not ever actually voting for/supporting it. And even more will support (or can be polled into saying they support...) individual policies that can weave together to appear like 'socialism' while never agreeing with, supporting or desiring it as a whole. The four most popular ideologies in Britain are environmentalism, feminism, liberalism and socialism
Looks like PHers are way out of touch with the populace then.
Who they hell were they polling??
Labour's 2017 and 2019 policies polled very well in isolation but support dropped precipitously when they were either specifically attached to the party and/or its people, or were presented as a whole platform rather than individual policies.
Here's Gyles Brandreth finding 'secret socialists' in Guilford: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7lsRbDKOXg
People who agree with a long list of left-wing policies but are then aghast at finding that they're aligning with Corbyn's Labour.
But polling across several decades does suggest that the British electorate is significantly more left-wing in terms of its economics than is represented in either election results or the make-up of the main parties and parliament. Just as they are also rather more right-wing socially than the political class.
Speaking to The London Economic in 2023, former Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn made the point that people are often socialists without realising it.
Speaking to Pistonheads in 2024, Timothy Bucktu made the point that most people are too stupid to understand the questions, or indeed what they actually mean in reality.
Speaking to Pistonheads in 2024, Timothy Bucktu made the point that most people are too stupid to understand the questions, or indeed what they actually mean in reality.
valiant said:
Countdown said:
I believe the London Economic is a lefty publication (outright Commie by PH standards)
Poll by YouGov though so...
I actually do believe that most people in the UK are slightly left of centre but that could be just my perception. Also its not unusual for people to fluctuate between right wing and left wing for different policies
s1962a said:
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/brits-p...
Looks like PHers are way out of touch with the populace then.
Didn’t need a poll to tell you that.Looks like PHers are way out of touch with the populace then.
Countdown said:
Most capitalists turn into socialists when they want other people to pay for stuff.
Good example is the Reform manifesto. There must be a magic money tree to pay for all these "socialist" policies.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqll1edxgw4o
s1962a said:
liberalism and socialism
This is no surprise.Ideology can be decoupled from political preference.
The fact is that the UK on the whole is a liberal nation that embraces socialist values. There are many online 'tests' you can do that reveal your leaning based upon your answers to numerous questions and most decent people with reasonable intelligence, regardless of their politics, find themselves as liberal and socialist. That doesn't necessarily mean they will be a Labour or Liberal voter.
This is why we are a nation most comfortable in the centre of politics. We're not comfortable when we're dragged to the far right or the far left.
s1962a said:
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/brits-p...
The four most popular ideologies in Britain are environmentalism, feminism, liberalism and socialism
Looks like PHers are way out of touch with the populace then.
Who they hell were they polling??
As a poll it is fairly useless as it doesn't define the terms themselves. The only meaningful polling would be on specific policies within the same.The four most popular ideologies in Britain are environmentalism, feminism, liberalism and socialism
Looks like PHers are way out of touch with the populace then.
Who they hell were they polling??
Classic example being low polling for support for "populism", which is by definition policies which tend to be rather popular, if simplistic and possible harmful.
All that such polling really shows is that some political slogans are more popular than others and the problem for the person who says they support Socialism may be that they have not got (perhaps yet) the chance to accumulate sufficient capital of their own.....
MickC said:
As usual people like the ideas of Socialism, until you tell them its they who have to pay for it. Then they vote accordingly.
Watch the videos of students in the USA being asked if they prefer socialism, when they say "yes" then the interviewer asks them if they would sacrifice some of their GPA to support students with a lower GPA. The mental gymnastics they go through is amusing, but hopefully, it does get them to question their indoctrination. MickC said:
As usual people like the ideas of Socialism, until you tell them its they who have to pay for it. Then they vote accordingly.
Which is somewhat understandable if you're a high earner. What I don't understand is those on £30k that are vehemently opposed to it.
"Yes all those are going to cost you £10 a week"
"f
k that then"MKnight702 said:
MickC said:
As usual people like the ideas of Socialism, until you tell them its they who have to pay for it. Then they vote accordingly.
Watch the videos of students in the USA being asked if they prefer socialism, when they say "yes" then the interviewer asks them if they would sacrifice some of their GPA to support students with a lower GPA. The mental gymnastics they go through is amusing, but hopefully, it does get them to question their indoctrination. 
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