997.1 with 3 cylinder rebuild, would you buy ?
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Hi, I'm after a 997.1 C4s but I'd only buy a rebuilt one. I'm due to view one this week which on the face of it ticks my boxes , Silver,manual,low miles etc, its had a Hartech re build but ' only' cylinders 4,5 and 6...just looking for views on this element really as if the rest of the car,history etc checks out I'd likely buy it .
On the upside: that is generally the only bank that scores.
On the downside: it could mean penny pinching (although even a partial rebuild is expensive) and you might not be getting the full list of remedial works Hartech normally suggest / offer while doing the work.
If you can get the Hartech assessment of the car it will be worth a read. It is a top to toe assessment with recommendations of what should be done, and what could be done. Or the final bill to see what else was done.
They are great cars!
On the downside: it could mean penny pinching (although even a partial rebuild is expensive) and you might not be getting the full list of remedial works Hartech normally suggest / offer while doing the work.
If you can get the Hartech assessment of the car it will be worth a read. It is a top to toe assessment with recommendations of what should be done, and what could be done. Or the final bill to see what else was done.
They are great cars!
No. Why risk it? Screams of skimping on the maintenance if they can't be bothered to do the other 3 cylinders while the engine was out (what else didn't they do?) and there's no guarantee that the other 3 might not go at some point so you've still got a potential 5-figure sum to sort those 3.
bigee said:
Ok, looking at paperwork it HAS had the full fat rebuild so all good there . Last service mind was 3 years ago allbeit only circa 5-6k miles…. rest of car is v good so might well pull the trigger on it ….
Thought as much. It's rare for Hartech to ever suggest only on bank is rebuilt. What do we think a full hartech rebuild adds to the value? I'm after a nice C2S and ideally would like a 997.2 or early 991 but do keep an eye out for rebuilt 997.1's. Some seem to be up for sale only a few thousand more than a non-rebuilt one wheras other seems to look for a 10k premium ?
Crudeoink said:
What do we think a full hartech rebuild adds to the value? I'm after a nice C2S and ideally would like a 997.2 or early 991 but do keep an eye out for rebuilt 997.1's. Some seem to be up for sale only a few thousand more than a non-rebuilt one wheras other seems to look for a 10k premium ?
It's not just the rebuild. You need to consider all the other future proofing done at the same timeMine, for instance, had full rebuild and oversize to 4.1, new oil and water pump, new oil cooler, new lines over the engine, new coolant pipes, new engine mounts, new manifolds, cats, O2 sensor, coil packs, belts, pulleys, coolant tank, battery etc etc.
Plus new suspension and brakes by CG.
Trigger's broom and, while I would only get a fraction of the expenditure back, one I would pay a higher premium for than a straight rebuild.
Worth checking the invoice to see what has - and hasn't - been done.
nickpan said:
The delta between .1's and .2's is now the price of a Hartech rebuild, but with the latter, you'll likely get out what you put in when you come to sell so your total cost of ownership will be less.
And you'll sleep at night.
Each to their own but, oddly, I prefer the 997.1. My brother had a 997.2 and, while more refined / quieter, it didn't feel like a forward step to me - pace aside (but I fixed that with the 4.1).And you'll sleep at night.
And I prefer owning a trigger's broom 997.1 rather than a 60,000+ mile 997.2 with all the usual older 997 issues - of which there are many.
It might sound strange to say given the various issues with the engines in the 997.1.
A fully fit one is an excellent engine. C2s with a sports exhaust is almost perfect.
Quick car but not ridiculously quick,can be enjoyed without doing 3 figures.
That said if I was to have another I’d seek out one which had had a quality rebuild. The worry of having the engine go bang, and lack of use is why i eventually sold the one I had. Miss it though!
A fully fit one is an excellent engine. C2s with a sports exhaust is almost perfect.
Quick car but not ridiculously quick,can be enjoyed without doing 3 figures.
That said if I was to have another I’d seek out one which had had a quality rebuild. The worry of having the engine go bang, and lack of use is why i eventually sold the one I had. Miss it though!
911wise said:
It might sound strange to say given the various issues with the engines in the 997.1.
A fully fit one is an excellent engine. C2s with a sports exhaust is almost perfect.
Quick car but not ridiculously quick,can be enjoyed without doing 3 figures.
That said if I was to have another I’d seek out one which had had a quality rebuild. The worry of having the engine go bang, and lack of use is why i eventually sold the one I had. Miss it though!
I've got one—a 3.6 manual with the Gundo hack and TopGear X-Pipe thingy. The thing comes alive above 4k and sings. I've also got a 3.8 Tip, which is ultimately and noticeably faster than the 3.6 and has more torque, but I'd choose the 3.6 for fast road, the 3.8 for track, autobahn, and all the high-power stuff.A fully fit one is an excellent engine. C2s with a sports exhaust is almost perfect.
Quick car but not ridiculously quick,can be enjoyed without doing 3 figures.
That said if I was to have another I’d seek out one which had had a quality rebuild. The worry of having the engine go bang, and lack of use is why i eventually sold the one I had. Miss it though!
Would I swap either of mine for a Gen 2 997? Hell no, I'd look at a 991 instead.
maz8062 said:
I've got one—a 3.6 manual with the Gundo hack and TopGear X-Pipe thingy. The thing comes alive above 4k and sings. I've also got a 3.8 Tip, which is ultimately and noticeably faster than the 3.6 and has more torque, but I'd choose the 3.6 for fast road, the 3.8 for track, autobahn, and all the high-power stuff.
Would I swap either of mine for a Gen 2 997? Hell no, I'd look at a 991 instead.
I am curious - why do you have 2 997.1 Carrera cars - I get they are different due to tip vs manual and engine, but you must really love them to have 2 of them. I am impressed. Did you buy them at the same time or with a few years in between? Is one a cab and one a coupe?Would I swap either of mine for a Gen 2 997? Hell no, I'd look at a 991 instead.
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