Quantum communication
Discussion
Was just thinking, that we live in this organic world, with known communication, chemicals, noise etc. but there are some phenomenonononomnom that cannot be fully explained usually current models.
A hidden method of information and communication that exists all around us, travels at speed of light and can go through all organic material.
Taking into account evolution of organics and non organics it is plausible this web exists, but as humans we should have some ability to understand it, considering other animals and plants may be able to use this .
Just wondered if anyone else has thought about this .
A hidden method of information and communication that exists all around us, travels at speed of light and can go through all organic material.
Taking into account evolution of organics and non organics it is plausible this web exists, but as humans we should have some ability to understand it, considering other animals and plants may be able to use this .
Just wondered if anyone else has thought about this .
mickythefish said:
Was just thinking, that we live in this organic world, with known communication, chemicals, noise etc. but there are some phenomenonononomnom that cannot be fully explained usually current models.
A hidden method of information and communication that exists all around us, travels at speed of light and can go through all organic material.
Taking into account evolution of organics and non organics it is plausible this web exists, but as humans we should have some ability to understand it, considering other animals and plants may be able to use this .
Just wondered if anyone else has thought about this .
Bit confused by the premise that we don't fully understand something that isn't known to exist. A hidden method of information and communication that exists all around us, travels at speed of light and can go through all organic material.
Taking into account evolution of organics and non organics it is plausible this web exists, but as humans we should have some ability to understand it, considering other animals and plants may be able to use this .
Just wondered if anyone else has thought about this .
mickythefish said:
Gravity doesn't exist but we see it effects.
Yes it is hard to test, but there have been some tests .
Have you been watching videos about relitivistic mechanics?Yes it is hard to test, but there have been some tests .
What tests have there been for quantum communication?
I think I get the concept for quantum computing but don't see how that could be applied to communication. My understanding of quantum computing is that the equivalent to the transistors are in multiple states at the same time, allowing large numbers of them to work in parallel to solve equations. I don't understand how that could be applied to communication, wouldn't that just mean giving someone every possible message at the same time (as opposed to being faster than light communication)?
I've been thinking about this topic for a while and how peoples on planets light years away from each other could communicate in real time and not with a lag of years between the original message and the response.
If there are civilisations out there that have built 'empires' or at least become interplanetary then they must surely be using a form of communication that we haven't yet discovered or worked out how to build.
I wonder if these interstellar communications might involve the manipulation of quantum entangled pairs of photons?
If so then you could communicate instantly with anywhere in the universe and even beyond. Indeed it could be that this form of communication is (and has been) being used for millenia by other species and the "airwaves" - for want of a better word - at the quantum level are absolutely saturated with the chatter of billions of races talking to both their far flung selves and other civilisations.
Like rockets won't cut it for interstellar travel radio waves don't cut it for interstellar communications
Just a musing of mine...feel free to shoot it down.
If there are civilisations out there that have built 'empires' or at least become interplanetary then they must surely be using a form of communication that we haven't yet discovered or worked out how to build.
I wonder if these interstellar communications might involve the manipulation of quantum entangled pairs of photons?
If so then you could communicate instantly with anywhere in the universe and even beyond. Indeed it could be that this form of communication is (and has been) being used for millenia by other species and the "airwaves" - for want of a better word - at the quantum level are absolutely saturated with the chatter of billions of races talking to both their far flung selves and other civilisations.
Like rockets won't cut it for interstellar travel radio waves don't cut it for interstellar communications
Just a musing of mine...feel free to shoot it down.
Edited by juliussneezer on Sunday 8th December 11:32
mickythefish said:
Was just thinking, that we live in this organic world, with known communication, chemicals, noise etc. but there are some phenomenonononomnom that cannot be fully explained usually current models.
And therein lies the beauty of science. The last 100 years has produced some amazing scientific and technological insights to the point where we've worked out that we have only really scratched the surface of understanding.mickythefish said:
A hidden method of information and communication that exists all around us, travels at speed of light and can go through all organic material.
Just for reference, radio waves / WiFi etc travel at the speed of light (almost) and can pass through organic material. Neutrinos can pass through us without even hitting anything. In fact, right now, the whole atomic structure that makes up 'you' is being bombarded by all manner of subatomic particles without you ever knowing.mickythefish said:
Taking into account evolution of organics and non organics it is plausible this web exists, but as humans we should have some ability to understand it, considering other animals and plants may be able to use this .
Just wondered if anyone else has thought about this .
Sure why not..... Plants have been observed to exhibit quantum behaviour so it's entirely plausible that there are other naturally occurring systems which we are as yet unaware of that are just waiting to be investigated. Look at the Charm, Strange, Top and Bottom Quarks. We know they exist but as far as I'm aware, we have absolutely no idea what they're there for.Just wondered if anyone else has thought about this .
Sporky said:
I seem to recall it was demonstrated that entangled particles can't be used for communication, because as soon as you interfere with the state of either the entanglement breaks.
My suspicion is that this is part of not violating causality.
There's also the issue that you'd need to break the entanglement and transport one photon to wherever you want communications with.My suspicion is that this is part of not violating causality.
Perhaps both of these issues have been solved in the future or by smarter species. I don't know and I'm off on a flight of fancy here but maybe initially you get somewhere light years away and you recreate the same entanglement but destroy one of the photons at each end thus creating a new entangled pair separated by the distance.
Like I say, just musings from my side.
Sporky said:
I seem to recall it was demonstrated that entangled particles can't be used for communication, because as soon as you interfere with the state of either the entanglement breaks.
My suspicion is that this is part of not violating causality.
Yes entanglement works for energy transference, as in photosynthesis but not communicating.My suspicion is that this is part of not violating causality.
QC is theorised to be a way plants way communicate in the presence of organic matter. Signals such as chemical, sound don't work with lots of organic, but possibly, and it is a theory, they may use biophotons as a method of communication using QC.
I envisage a web connecting all matter, that bypasses limitations of speed of light , and allows communication via the quantum information exchange.
This is very similar to what ancients thought but I actually think it is very plausible. The world we live in is just an image covering something much greater and deeper.
FTL communication does indeed break causality.
However, if you think about the possibility of wormholes, the problem drops away. A network of wormholes, connected by relays, would potentially allow communication that was in effect FTL, but without breaking causality.
A “subspace network” if you like the reference
The question is whether such wormholes can exist, do exist, and can be used in this way. And, of course, that deals only with interstellar distances (but shorter distances are probably ok with current methods).
However, if you think about the possibility of wormholes, the problem drops away. A network of wormholes, connected by relays, would potentially allow communication that was in effect FTL, but without breaking causality.
A “subspace network” if you like the reference
The question is whether such wormholes can exist, do exist, and can be used in this way. And, of course, that deals only with interstellar distances (but shorter distances are probably ok with current methods).
The reason was my other thread on blackholes. Atons crossing the event horizon, disappearing, but all the information on the the thing is "stored" in the event horizon.
Got me thinking that every single piece of information on every atom is therefore known and must be connected somehow. To ensure the information is correct and universe order. There has to be a layer that controls this and maybe some organisms have the function to tap into this.
What not, it would make evolution sense if quantum mechanisms is already used elsewhere.
There is a test, which I think could work, might give it a go .
Got me thinking that every single piece of information on every atom is therefore known and must be connected somehow. To ensure the information is correct and universe order. There has to be a layer that controls this and maybe some organisms have the function to tap into this.
What not, it would make evolution sense if quantum mechanisms is already used elsewhere.
There is a test, which I think could work, might give it a go .
mickythefish said:
The reason was my other thread on blackholes. Atons crossing the event horizon, disappearing, but all the information on the the thing is "stored" in the event horizon.
Got me thinking that every single piece of information on every atom is therefore known and must be connected somehow. To ensure the information is correct and universe order. There has to be a layer that controls this and maybe some organisms have the function to tap into this.
What not, it would make evolution sense if quantum mechanisms is already used elsewhere.
There is a test, which I think could work, might give it a go .
If we are to accept the Big Bang hypothesis, it is just as plausible that matter beyond the even horizon is simply trapped within a singularity (not destroyed in the conventional sense). Where do you think the requirement for connection comes from?Got me thinking that every single piece of information on every atom is therefore known and must be connected somehow. To ensure the information is correct and universe order. There has to be a layer that controls this and maybe some organisms have the function to tap into this.
What not, it would make evolution sense if quantum mechanisms is already used elsewhere.
There is a test, which I think could work, might give it a go .
juliussneezer said:
I've been thinking about this topic for a while and how peoples on planets light years away from each other could communicate in real time and not with a lag of years between the original message and the response.
If there are civilisations out there that have built 'empires' or at least become interplanetary then they must surely be using a form of communication that we haven't yet discovered or worked out how to build.
I wonder if these interstellar communications might involve the manipulation of quantum entangled pairs of photons?
If so then you could communicate instantly with anywhere in the universe and even beyond. Indeed it could be that this form of communication is (and has been) being used for millenia by other species and the "airwaves" - for want of a better word - at the quantum level are absolutely saturated with the chatter of billions of races talking to both their far flung selves and other civilisations.
Like rockets won't cut it for interstellar travel radio waves don't cut it for interstellar communications
Just a musing of mine...feel free to shoot it down.
Wasn't this part of the plot of "Three Body Problem"?If there are civilisations out there that have built 'empires' or at least become interplanetary then they must surely be using a form of communication that we haven't yet discovered or worked out how to build.
I wonder if these interstellar communications might involve the manipulation of quantum entangled pairs of photons?
If so then you could communicate instantly with anywhere in the universe and even beyond. Indeed it could be that this form of communication is (and has been) being used for millenia by other species and the "airwaves" - for want of a better word - at the quantum level are absolutely saturated with the chatter of billions of races talking to both their far flung selves and other civilisations.
Like rockets won't cut it for interstellar travel radio waves don't cut it for interstellar communications
Just a musing of mine...feel free to shoot it down.
Edited by juliussneezer on Sunday 8th December 11:32
There are two distinct communication ideas that get called 'quantum communication'. Each relying on the way quantum particles can be in multiple states at once, collapsing into a single state once measured.
One is insertinq quantum bits that are not in any particular state yet into the message for security. If you receive a message and find the qbits are already in a specific state then someone has peeked at the message. But this doesn't make communication any easier only more secure.
The other relies on the phenomenon that a measurement of the state of one quantum particle not only affects the particle measured but also instantly effects any other particle entangled with it. If you know you have created one up particle and one down particle, kept one and given the other to a mate. Then forcing your particle to decide it's the up particle by measuring it also forces your mate's to be the down particle instantly. What Einstein called 'spooky action at a distance'. Sounds very useful, but unless your mate knows exactly what measurement you are making and when there is no for them to tell whether their particle has been affected by your measurement. So no way to send information.
One is insertinq quantum bits that are not in any particular state yet into the message for security. If you receive a message and find the qbits are already in a specific state then someone has peeked at the message. But this doesn't make communication any easier only more secure.
The other relies on the phenomenon that a measurement of the state of one quantum particle not only affects the particle measured but also instantly effects any other particle entangled with it. If you know you have created one up particle and one down particle, kept one and given the other to a mate. Then forcing your particle to decide it's the up particle by measuring it also forces your mate's to be the down particle instantly. What Einstein called 'spooky action at a distance'. Sounds very useful, but unless your mate knows exactly what measurement you are making and when there is no for them to tell whether their particle has been affected by your measurement. So no way to send information.
juliussneezer said:
Sporky said:
I seem to recall it was demonstrated that entangled particles can't be used for communication, because as soon as you interfere with the state of either the entanglement breaks.
My suspicion is that this is part of not violating causality.
There's also the issue that you'd need to break the entanglement and transport one photon to wherever you want communications with.My suspicion is that this is part of not violating causality.
Perhaps both of these issues have been solved in the future or by smarter species. I don't know and I'm off on a flight of fancy here but maybe initially you get somewhere light years away and you recreate the same entanglement but destroy one of the photons at each end thus creating a new entangled pair separated by the distance.
Like I say, just musings from my side.
Where do I collect my Nobel Prize?
Edited by juliussneezer on Sunday 8th December 19:40
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