RE: Renault Sport Spider | Spotted

RE: Renault Sport Spider | Spotted

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Renault Sport Spider | Spotted

Renault is reviving old models like they're going out of style. Time to revisit the Spider?


Renault’s finally got its mojo back. Ever since it dropped the R.S. version of the Clio and Megane, the firm’s lineup has consisted wholly of un-hot hatches, crossovers and the Traffic van. Now, however, it has the ultra-cool 4 and 5 EVs, both of which are inspired by the firm’s quirky hatchbacks of yesteryear, while the Alpine version of the latter has shown that Dieppe hasn’t lost it touch on its return to hot hatch making. Sure, they’re all-electric, and that won’t be to everyone’s taste - but they’re the most appealing Renaults we’ve seen in a very, very long time.

It makes you wonder what else could the French marque revive to complement its reboot roster. For instance, the A110 perfectly relaunched Alpine as the company’s performance division, while the retro charm of the 4 and 5 is enough to make even the biggest EV sceptic take notice. So what next then? Arguably, nobody’s really built a properly lightweight electric car yet (aside from this one-off Ultima ‘RSE’ prototype), and while Alpine has long planned to switch the A110 over to battery power, the company claims it’ll be heavier than the current combustion car. Maybe if it bought back the Renault Sport Spider, like the car we have here, it could get that down to under a tonne. That’d send a message.

A stretch, perhaps, but reviving the Spider is at least worth considering. It had all the hallmarks of a smash hit when it debuted at the 1995 Geneva Motor Show: a lightweight, two-seat sports car formed around an aluminium chassis with plastic body panels that delivered blistering B-road performance at an affordable(ish) price tag. A very similar recipe to the Lotus Elise, which would appear six months later at the Frankfurt Motor Show. But while Lotus would go on to tens of thousands of Elises across a 25-year production run, Renault mustered just 1,685 road-going Spiders (96 of which were right-hand drive) before calling it quits in 1999.

There was nothing inherently wrong with the Spider, it’s just that the Elise had it beat in a few crucial areas. Renault’s offering ticked the sub-tonne box with a 965kg kerb weight, though that was still 240kg heavier than the Elise. And though neither was remotely practical, the Elise’s bolt-on soft top at least provided (some) rain protection, while Renault never offered the Spider with any sort of roof, not even the temporary kind you’d find on a Porsche Boxster Spyder. At least all UK cars came with a windscreen, which was an optional extra for European cars, but it made the Elise look like a Rolls-Royce by comparison.

That didn’t mean the Spider was without merit, mind. Quite the opposite. Its 2.0-litre, 16v engine plucked from the Clio Williams developed 150hp, a good deal more than all but the sportiest Elises. Then there’s the suspension, comprising rose-joined double wishbones paired with Bilstein coilovers. A serious setup that, admittedly, required a fair bit of effort to get the most out of thanks to the Spider’s unassisted steering. But above all, it looked absolutely wild, like a race car that had been loosely adapted for road use, which is essentially what it was. Relaunch the Spider as an electric Alpine with its own one-make series and Renault would surely have a hit on its corporate hands.

Anyway, the likelihood of that happening is approximately nil, so better grab this one while you can. And what an example it is, with only 12,000 miles on the clock covered by the previous and solitary owner. It looks immaculate, too, with no signs of wear on the Recaro seats and a spotless engine bay. The seller’s asking £30,495 for it, which admittedly gets you quite a lot of Series 1 Elise, while an extra £2k brings this Sport 160 into the mix. But Elises are two a penny because Lotus sold so many of them, whereas you’re almost guaranteed to be the only person with a Spider at any given car meet. What’s a bit of rain in your face on a spirited drive, anyway?


SPECIFICATION | RENAULT SPORT SPIDER

Engine: 1,998 four-cylinder
Transmission: five-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 150@6,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 136@4,500rpm
MPG: N/A
CO2: N/A
Year registered: 1997
Recorded mileage: 12,000
Price new: £25,950
Yours for: £30,495

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Master Bean

Original Poster:

4,026 posts

128 months

Yesterday (05:22)
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What's the wind buffeting like with no windows?

Still Mulling

13,504 posts

185 months

Yesterday (06:41)
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I absolutely love these and their prices haven’t gone too silly. Maybe one day!

McRors

332 posts

64 months

Yesterday (07:07)
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Master Bean said:
What's the wind buffeting like with no windows?
I believe that the versions without a windscreen had a duct that channeled incoming air vertically in front of the driver and passenger. I also believe that it wasn’t very effective!

PRO5T

4,969 posts

33 months

Yesterday (07:26)
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These need to be seen in the flesh, way more road presence than any little Renault deserves. Inflation adjusted they haven't risen in value at all really, I would worry about spares for them though.

Obviously they'd make more sense in the south of France than the North of England but they are seriously good little bits of kit. If the Elise never happened they're be more revered sure but they're much more than that-a true little race car for the road.


Flanners

209 posts

138 months

Yesterday (07:27)
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Love the looks and the concept but not for £30K, much better drivers cars out there in a similar genre for less.

cerb4.5lee

33,762 posts

188 months

Yesterday (08:05)
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Master Bean said:
What's the wind buffeting like with no windows?
If it is anything like my Caterham, then it won't be very pleasant in that regard.

dunnoreally

1,124 posts

116 months

Yesterday (08:28)
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Would be cool, but unlikely. Lots of people remember the R4 and R5. The Sport Spider is much more one for the sweaty trackday anoraks and as Lotus' change of direction proves there just aren'tenough of those anymore.

kambites

68,489 posts

229 months

Yesterday (08:33)
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cerb4.5lee said:
Master Bean said:
What's the wind buffeting like with no windows?
If it is anything like my Caterham, then it won't be very pleasant in that regard.
Not as bad as a Caterham because the curve of the windscreen at least encourages laminar flow over the screen itself which gives the air a better chance to detach cleanly from the edges of the screen. Also note that the edges of the screen surface, are actually set further back than they look at first glance because of the little quarter-glass things attached to the doors.

It's certainly no SLK, but it's perhaps not quite as bad as you'd expect.

JW95

8 posts

23 months

Yesterday (08:42)
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965kg... How did they make it so heavy? Extremely light by todays standards of course - but to think that a modern Alpine A110 is only ~150kg heavier (and meets todays crash regulations, not to mention has a roof & double the power) it strikes me as quite portly. Particularly as an Elise of the same period was so much lighter.

Cool car though, would love a go.

schaeffs

347 posts

150 months

Yesterday (09:01)
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Was choosing between a Lotus 340R and this many moons ago and drove both. The 340R for me was far more agile and the K-series was a seriously angry little monster, so went with it instead - ended up having it for 8 years.

I do remember the drive in the Sport Spider fondly though. In today's world it would be a very exciting drive and the perfect antidote on a Sunday morning to whatever you were driving during the week.

s m

23,519 posts

211 months

Yesterday (09:24)
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JW95 said:
965kg... How did they make it so heavy? Extremely light by todays standards of course - but to think that a modern Alpine A110 is only ~150kg heavier (and meets todays crash regulations, not to mention has a roof & double the power) it strikes me as quite portly. Particularly as an Elise of the same period was so much lighter.

Cool car though, would love a go.
Equalled round a track by a contemporary hot hatch - 106 GTi - when CAR tested one - the Pug was a little faster on less power and rubber?

I guess you get the open air experience and it’s different …. but I think I’d go for an Elise unless I wanted to be different for the topless 2 seater. Easier on parts I’d guess too

Augustus Windsock

3,473 posts

163 months

Yesterday (09:32)
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No side screens, no heater, = I am too old for this now.
I can’t even imagine driving this around the South of France as someone mentioned, I’m at the age where I need a few ‘creature comforts’’
However, this or an Elise?
Hmmm, I wonder how many prospective Lotus owners would contemplate one of these, even with its added USP of no side screens, heater etc compared to the Elise?

BTW The link to the Elise Sport 160 takes me to.. this Spider…?

Edited by Augustus Windsock on Tuesday 3rd December 09:35

kambites

68,489 posts

229 months

Yesterday (09:39)
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Augustus Windsock said:
Hmmm, I wonder how many prospective Lotus owners would contemplate one of these, even with its added USP of no side screens, heater etc compared to the Elise?
I think the only real reason to buy a Sport Spider over an Elise derivative is rarity and (obviously subjectively) styling. An Elise or VX220 will do pretty much every else better for less. Certainly when I drove them both before ultimately buying my Elise, I couldn't really see anything the Renault did better.

PRO5T

4,969 posts

33 months

Yesterday (10:30)
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Rather than the Elise, I think it's more of a competitor of the 340R.

kambites

68,489 posts

229 months

Yesterday (10:36)
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PRO5T said:
Rather than the Elise, I think it's more of a competitor of the 340R.
Well that's the problem isn't it? It has the practicality of a 340R yet it weighs nearly a quarter of a tonne more than an Elise and drives nowhere near as well as either.

Had the Elise (and variants like the 340R and VX220) never existed, the Renault would have been rightly lauded as one of the great sports cars of its era... sadly they do exist.

Frimley111R

16,017 posts

242 months

Yesterday (10:40)
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I'm glad it exists because cars like this just don't come out of mainstream manufacturers like they did in the past.

kambites

68,489 posts

229 months

Yesterday (10:42)
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Frimley111R said:
I'm glad it exists because cars like this just don't come out of mainstream manufacturers like they did in the past.
yes Renault had particular form for doing weird things around this period; the automotive landscape is a worse place for them going all sensible these days.

HocusPocus

1,136 posts

109 months

Yesterday (11:05)
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The picture of the Renault tub welding struck me. Agricultural, which approach probably explains the lardy mass.

Lacks the simple elegance and efficiency of the Lotus extruded aluminium and glued tub, which massively outsold the Renault.

BigChiefmuffinAgain

1,231 posts

106 months

Yesterday (11:13)
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For driving around in the South of France, something like a BMW Z1 offered a far more pleasant open air experience...

Ste-EVo

73 posts

159 months

Yesterday (11:36)
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These are a wonderful thing; I'd take one over and Elise any day (maybe not a 340R though...)

I can count on one hand how many I've seen on the road, maybe two in the UK (one blue and one yellow) and I seem to recall seeing one in Spain back in the early 2000's - they have such a good stance and presence on the road.

30k seems a fair price, I'm surprised they aren't much more expective, considering the price of other stuff of the era.