Lake district damage

[mickythefish]

I'm sure you saw the story about people causing 1k damage on protected land.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/ar...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/ar...

Well the police closed the investigation due to lack of evidence.

Well it takes you 5 seconds googling to find a video of people in the same area at the same time on public platforms.

Just wondered why the police don't bother anymore with these sort of crimes?

I like the outdoors nice to know I can cause damage to nature with no consequences.

Edited by mickythefish on Monday 2nd December 11:25

[Greendubber]

Being in the same area at the same time isn't enough to pin it on someone unfortunately.

[STe_rsv4]

Greendubber said:

Being in the same area at the same time isn't enough to pin it on someone unfortunately.

even when said suspects post videos of it on YouTube / Insta?

[mickythefish]

STe_rsv4 said:

even when said suspects post videos of it on YouTube / Insta?

A video at exactly the same time, same equipment, damage matches their video etc..

This is what I struggle to fathom. Crimes like this just aren't even bothered by the police. This used to be there bread and butter. And if you ask why you never get an answer?

[myvision]

Just seen the video how can they say it wasn't them? All the evidence is there.

[mickythefish]

myvision said:

Just seen the video how can they say it wasn't them? All the evidence is there.

That's why I put thread up. It isn't a police bashing but at least a warning surely. ?

I mean if I lived near I would volunteer my time, but my biggest fear, and I see it a lot, others will do the same.

[lancslad58]

mickythefish said:

STe_rsv4 said:

even when said suspects post videos of it on YouTube / Insta?

A video at exactly the same time, same equipment, damage matches their video etc..

This is what I struggle to fathom. Crimes like this just aren't even bothered by the police. This used to be there bread and butter. And if you ask why you never get an answer?

Have you sent a link of the video to the police?

[STe_rsv4]

Multiple reports were made to the police at the time it happened.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Cumbria/s/Upvg9VnHuw

[mickythefish]

lancslad58 said:

Have you sent a link of the video to the police?

Yes national trust have. As have everyone one and their son. Just want to know why with all this evidence the police have not been able to do there job?

Just looking at damage around 1k, it seems a 12 month community order is usually the charge after police investigation and court.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&amp...

[BoRED S2upid]

Strange one this. Be interesting to see if the case is reopened after additional evidence comes to light aka bad press.

There was a break in in our village yesterday police were hear for hours investigating collecting ring door bell camera footage the works. It seems some police still care.

[Somewhatfoolish]

Is the problem maybe that this group obviously did it, but they can't say who in the group did what?

[Greendubber]

Somewhatfoolish said:

Is the problem maybe that this group obviously did it, but they can't say who in the group did what?

That's what I'm getting at.

[Foss62]

Greendubber said:

Somewhatfoolish said:

Is the problem maybe that this group obviously did it, but they can't say who in the group did what?

That's what I'm getting at.

They have people who might reasonably be considered suspects though. Surely it would be worth rounding them up and making ALL their lives difficult for a day or two with an outside chance that there would be some confessions?
That’s broadly what would have happened with, for example, minor local hooligans in the past.

[2020vision]

Foss62 said:

Greendubber said:

Somewhatfoolish said:

Is the problem maybe that this group obviously did it, but they can't say who in the group did what?

That's what I'm getting at.

They have people who might reasonably be considered suspects though. Surely it would be worth rounding them up and making ALL their lives difficult for a day or two with an outside chance that there would be some confessions?
That’s broadly what would have happened with, for example, minor local hooligans in the past.

It’s a shame ‘joint venture’ doesn’t extend to this sort of bad behaviour.
Seems like it would get support among posters this far.

[mickythefish]

I think most people would be ashamed , contact NT and do volunteering and make donations for the damages, clean up

Unfortunately times have definitely changed, I see bin bags of rubbish dumped, trees cut, people treat these protected sites like their own land. People protested to get free access this is how it is treated. Let's hope it doesn't get worse.

[Somewhatfoolish]

Foss62 said:

Greendubber said:

Somewhatfoolish said:

Is the problem maybe that this group obviously did it, but they can't say who in the group did what?

That's what I'm getting at.

They have people who might reasonably be considered suspects though. Surely it would be worth rounding them up and making ALL their lives difficult for a day or two with an outside chance that there would be some confessions?
That’s broadly what would have happened with, for example, minor local hooligans in the past.

Would you be happy if they rounded up everyone who had been on the Alconbury bypass over the course of an hour cause the speed sensors there had clocked a couple of 200mph passes (something I've been told happens quite pften - 200mph I mean not rounding up)?

What's really annoying is that the public shaming would work for 95% of people but these 5% of innit bruvs (listen to the video, they're not just brummies they're innit bruvs) it wouldn't. I don't have any answer as to what might work here.

Some of this is definitely ignorance though - they don't seem evil or anything either. Just ignorant basically. And not brought up to sort things out when their ignorance has caused problems. No help for this offence but to prevent future ones pushing scouts in the inner cities? Idk.

Edited by Somewhatfoolish on Tuesday 3rd December 01:15

[Nibbles_bits]

The answer is in the article - after 4 months of investigation:

"All available lines of enquiry have been exhausted and the investigation is complete.
The evidence collated was reviewed and it did not meet the threshold for prosecution."

Edited by Nibbles_bits on Tuesday 3rd December 06:22

[mickythefish]

Nibbles_bits said:

The answer is in the article - after 4 months of investigation:

"All available lines of enquiry have been exhausted and the investigation is complete.
The evidence collated was reviewed and it did not meet the threshold for prosecution."

Edited by Nibbles_bits on Tuesday 3rd December 06:22

Yes that is what people don't understand considering they filmed the damage.

The only plausible explanation I can see is, is damaging nature is seen as a civil, trespass matter.

[ferret50]

mickythefish said:

I like the outdoors nice to know I can cause damage to nature with no consequences.

Edited by mickythefish on Monday 2nd December 11:25

And by doing this you lower yourself to their standards.

[mickythefish]

ferret50 said:

And by doing this you lower yourself to their standards.

It is making a point this was as high profile as it gets, and nothing happened. People will see this and it will only get worse