Toyota aygo or similar
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dba7108 said:
Ok thanks. To clarify does it come in 2 different versions? Thanks
I don't know the answer, but happy to bump this along!As an aside, I had the original V12 Vanquish when they first came out - that had an appalling gearbox too. Similar to the Aygo - in that it's not an auto, but a sort of automated manual. Unless you drive them in a particular way, they break. Definitely worth avoiding in my view.
Drifting further, the Yaris was available with a semi auto and full auto. Only the larger engines had the proper full auto.
I think the Aygo only had the 1 litre petrol, which is the semi auto.
AFAIK the diesel is manual only.
Personally, I'd avoid the semi auto's.....of any make or model.
I think the Aygo only had the 1 litre petrol, which is the semi auto.
AFAIK the diesel is manual only.
Personally, I'd avoid the semi auto's.....of any make or model.
Yes, there are two versions and I've driven both unfortunately as service loan cars from a main dealer.
They are both dreadful. The semi-auto takes seconds to change gear - it's like that scene in Apollo 13 when they are launching into space. Being thrown forwards and backwards in the time it takes to disconnect drive and reengage it. It also revs up and dumps the clutch when pulling away.
The later automatic is fine if you never go above town speeds and don't mind a slow takeoff but on open roads it's bad too. Changing down during an overtake when there is no power left and all it does is sit at high revs screaming and not going anywhere.
A Yaris is a much better car, I've driven an old one with a normal gearbox and that was ok but slow. Best of them is the early hybrid as that is so much smoother and nippy. Plus you can actually get real people in the rear seats.
They are both dreadful. The semi-auto takes seconds to change gear - it's like that scene in Apollo 13 when they are launching into space. Being thrown forwards and backwards in the time it takes to disconnect drive and reengage it. It also revs up and dumps the clutch when pulling away.
The later automatic is fine if you never go above town speeds and don't mind a slow takeoff but on open roads it's bad too. Changing down during an overtake when there is no power left and all it does is sit at high revs screaming and not going anywhere.
A Yaris is a much better car, I've driven an old one with a normal gearbox and that was ok but slow. Best of them is the early hybrid as that is so much smoother and nippy. Plus you can actually get real people in the rear seats.
dba7108 said:
I'm after a small automatic for my step daughter. I've heard the aygo (2008 - 2012 I'm looking at) comes in 2 automatic version. Full automatic and a semi. Is this correct? Also on the semi auto do they have hill control or if she let's go of the brake will it roll down a hill ?
Toyota salesman here!Aygo 2008-2012 is called a Multi-Mode Automatic (Its a single clutch auto, sometimes called semi-auto)
The Mk2 Aygo (2014-2021) is exactly the same system, just called X-shift, and slightly smoother.
This only changed for the larger Aygo X model form 2021 onwards which has a CVT.
My daughter has a Mk 2 Aygo with the SA gearbox. There's a bit of a delay from 1st to 2nd, but after that the gearbox is fine. Has paddles if you want a bit more control.
She loves it, she had a manual Aygo but then decided to go the auto route for her test. The Aygo gearbox is far from perfect but the overall package is a pretty good one.
She loves it, she had a manual Aygo but then decided to go the auto route for her test. The Aygo gearbox is far from perfect but the overall package is a pretty good one.
nordboy said:
My daughter has a Mk 2 Aygo with the SA gearbox. There's a bit of a delay from 1st to 2nd, but after that the gearbox is fine. Has paddles if you want a bit more control.
She loves it, she had a manual Aygo but then decided to go the auto route for her test. The Aygo gearbox is far from perfect but the overall package is a pretty good one.
Similar experience here - Mrs C-J only had an auto licence. I dislike any type of auto. But the 107 SA (Toyota's MMT which Peugeot called TipTronic I think) has overall been fine - across 16 years and 130k miles from Dover to Lands End to Newcastle to Swansea. Town, cross-country and motorway.She loves it, she had a manual Aygo but then decided to go the auto route for her test. The Aygo gearbox is far from perfect but the overall package is a pretty good one.
I almost always drive in manual mode (gear level forward & back) - but if you want to improve the gear change in auto mode just force it by accelerating a bit, then easing off (just as you might when changing gear in a manual) - it prompts the gear changes when you want them.
Once (in 16 years) the gearbox got a bit confused - it still changed gear but was just jerky. Fortunately there was a Peugeot specialist nearby that for 30 mins labour cost (£50) was able to redo what I think is called 'the learnings' - i.e. the computer learning the clutch position.
My understanding (but happy to be corrected) is that the SA system learns/checks as it goes - possibly to adjust for clutch wear? - which is another reason why I regularly drive it in manual mode, in case that helps improve the learning/reference points.
Was I concerned before we bought the SA? Yes
Has it been almost faultless? Yes
Edited by C-J on Tuesday 3rd December 22:06
Edited by C-J on Tuesday 3rd December 22:07
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