Indicator brightness

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Huzzah

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28,027 posts

198 months

Saturday 23rd November 2024
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Now led headlamps are so bright, isn't it time to turn up the indicators a bit? I can hardly see the front ones at night.

Simon_GH

709 posts

95 months

Saturday 23rd November 2024
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Some cars reduce the brightness of the headlamp when that indicator is activated.

bristolracer

5,733 posts

164 months

Saturday 23rd November 2024
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Since the introduction of LED, I find many indicators are way to small. All that space on the back of a car and an indicator the size of my thumb.

Pica-Pica

15,171 posts

99 months

Saturday 23rd November 2024
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Huzzah said:
Now led headlamps are so bright, isn't it time to turn up the indicators a bit? I can hardly see the front ones at night.
That’s just poor design.

Huzzah

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28,027 posts

198 months

Saturday 23rd November 2024
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Simon_GH said:
Some cars reduce the brightness of the headlamp when that indicator is activated.
I've seen DRLs switch off on the side that's indicating, seems sensible. Reducing power of dip/main. because turning taking an exit or changing lanes seems counter intuitive.

Glosphil

4,636 posts

249 months

Saturday 23rd November 2024
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On my Leon the DRLs are the indicators & flash orange. As the DRLs are around 3 sides of the headlamps the indicators are hard to miss.

SAS Tom

3,665 posts

189 months

Saturday 23rd November 2024
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The indicator on my Skoda Superb are definitely bright enough. When you indicate it reflects off everything, road signs turn orange way more than anything else I’ve driven.

119

11,666 posts

51 months

Saturday 23rd November 2024
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Simon_GH said:
Some cars reduce the brightness of the headlamp when that indicator is activated.
What cars do that?

Muddle238

4,200 posts

128 months

Saturday 23rd November 2024
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Simon_GH said:
Some cars reduce the brightness of the headlamp when that indicator is activated.
PH: Terminology matters.

The headlamps are never dimmed for an indicator, what you are referring to are DRLs which on some vehicles are dimmed on the corresponding side when an indicator is activated. After the signal cancels, the DRL returns to full brightness. It's designed for conspicuity of the indicator, although some may argue that it's poor design if a DRL has to dim in order to see an indicator.

Some cars have the DRL switch to amber for the indicator, which is a different application but a similar effect; the DRL function is removed entirely while the indicator on the corresponding side is in use.

Some JLR vehicles do a similar thing on the rear with the tail lights; the tail light is extinguished when the corresponding indicator is active. I'm not a fan of this, as it means you cannot have such a vehicle lit with sidelights at night plus hazards, as the indicators overrule the sidelight circuit. If you break down at night, your vehicle isn't as well lit as a normal vehicle with normal, independant sidelight/indicator functionality.


Sebring440

2,717 posts

111 months

Saturday 23rd November 2024
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Simon_GH said:
Some cars reduce the brightness of the headlamp when that indicator is activated.
Umm, no.


Square Leg

15,376 posts

204 months

Saturday 23rd November 2024
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I find the rear indicators that are encompassed by the brake light the worse.
Can’t see the indicator whilst the brake lights are on.

Pica-Pica

15,171 posts

99 months

Saturday 23rd November 2024
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Square Leg said:
I find the rear indicators that are encompassed by the brake light the worse.
Can’t see the indicator whilst the brake lights are on.
That’s poor driving by the driver in front. A good design may be able to help alleviate poor driving.

Gericho

608 posts

18 months

Saturday 23rd November 2024
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The designers of this car went out of their way to ensure you can't see their microscopic indicators at all in any light conditions.




Muddle238

4,200 posts

128 months

Saturday 23rd November 2024
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Gericho said:
The designers of this car went out of their way to ensure you can't see their microscopic indicators at all in any light conditions.



Vauxhall has form with that. The current Mokka is also guilty of a tiny rear indicator.

TarquinMX5

2,241 posts

95 months

Saturday 23rd November 2024
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The answer is to re-introduce arm signals, with a new mandatory requirement for the driver to wear gloves, made with orange reflective material and with battery-operated leds built in for night use.

This would also allow for drivers to choose designer gloves if they wanted to make a statement.

Jayzee

2,597 posts

219 months

Saturday 23rd November 2024
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Funny how cars of old used to have the indicator at the top of the rear lens - light/brake at the bottom. Up until quite recently too.

Now, brakes are the upper, much brighter, and on many models, the indicators are secondary and much smaller.

I guess it’s to help with reducing rear end shunts?

Simon_GH

709 posts

95 months

Sunday 24th November 2024
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119 said:
What cars do that?
My 2020 Focus does it but I’ve seen a few cars where the headlight dims for the indicator.

Ian Geary

4,994 posts

207 months

Sunday 24th November 2024
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This is on my grumpy old man list - number 87.

There's one car with a circular rear cluster with the indicator in the middle - impossible to see with brake lights on (might be a fiat 500?)


I do often see cars with dimming dlrs at the front when indicating - mostly ford and vag I think, though as the race for generic looking angular boxes continues (number 103 on the list) I often don't care what makes vehicles are any more.

Some cars also have active lights that turn on a fog or DLR light on the side that's turning.

As I drive through south london regularly however, I don't often get to see other peoples' indicators much anyway.

ferret50

2,238 posts

24 months

Sunday 24th November 2024
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Ian Geary said:
As I drive through south london regularly however, I don't often get to see other peoples' indicators much anyway.
BMW drivers?

hehe

Drive Blind

5,400 posts

192 months

Sunday 24th November 2024
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nobody indicates anyway - they are getting smaller through evolution.

thats why delivery vans still have huge ones - the 'park anywhere' hazard lights get regular exercise.