RE: Lotus confirms incoming 'Hyper Hybrid' technology

RE: Lotus confirms incoming 'Hyper Hybrid' technology

Yesterday

Lotus confirms incoming 'Hyper Hybrid' technology

Combustion engines reappear on the firm's roadmap - but don't get too excited


Even by the topsy-turvy standards of the automotive industry in 2024, this has been quite the week. Ford has announced job cuts in the UK, which for a long time would have seemed an impossible eventuality, Jaguar has melted the internet with its astonishing relaunch, and now Lotus has confirmed the introduction of hybrid technology. Having previously said it would be an EV-only carmaker in the not-too-distant future. All in the space of a few days - it’s hard to keep up. 

‘Hyper Hybrid EV technology’ is the new phrase, launched at the Guangzhou Auto Show and underpinned by a 900V electrical system (800V EVs are the ones that charge particularly fast). As a result, Lotus is promising both super quick battery replenishment while driving as well as ‘Ultra-Fast Plug-In Charging’; indeed it reckons that both will be industry-leading. It’s going to be very hard to find yourself stranded in a Hyper Hybrid Lotus, or bemoaning a lack of range, if the claims are to be believed. The powertrain promises more than 1,100km of range, or 684 miles, a useful boost from even the rangiest Lotus EVs currently offered. There are no details yet on the combustion side of the Hyper Hybrid EV tech. 

‘High performance, high efficiency and a flexible longer driving distance’ is the promise, which certainly sounds like the ideal cake-and-eat-it scenario for an electrified car. Most PHEVs won’t take DC charge of more than 50kW, when dedicated EVs can be comfortably above 200kW, so if that number could be improved (while retaining a decent amount of zero-emissions range) then it makes a plug-in more appealing. Hopefully that claim about efficiency means a hybrid Lotus won’t weigh too much either - although let’s not get ahead of ourselves just yet. 

Not least as Lotus surely needs to be selling more cars first. While the results for the first nine months of 2024 globally are encouraging, with a 136 per cent increase on the 2023 number, that’s still just 7,617 cars. Europe was up 372 per cent year-on-year, and interestingly the sales split across the planet between Emira and the EVs (Eletre and Emeya) was almost even: 3,983 Lifestyle SUV and Sedan, 3,634 Sportscars. But whichever way you slice the pizza, it’s still not very large. 

So the financial losses continue, basically. While total revenues for the first three quarters of the year were up 105 per cent to $653m (£520m), the operating loss was $598m (£477m), and the adjusted Earnings Before Interest, Taxes, Depreciation, and Amortisation (EBITDA) was $563m (£450m) - a 16 per cent increase on 2023. And near as makes no difference half a billion pounds. With some of 2024 left to run. 

Nevertheless, the mood is upbeat. It has to be. CEO Qingfeng Feng said: “We are excited to see significant progress in our intelligent driving business across the world with revenue of the business from customers other than Lotus surged to $11 million with a year-on-year growth of 450 per cent, contributing about two per cent of total revenue.  We also launched Hyper Hybrid EV technology, in line with evolving market demands. We remain committed in executing ‘Win26’ Plan to drive efficiency and competitiveness, delivering sustainable value for our shareholders and investors." Sounds like there’ll be a lot more news from Lotus in 2025. 


Author
Discussion

LotusOmega375D

Original Poster:

8,092 posts

160 months

Yesterday (12:33)
quotequote all
Mmm, 684 mile range. How many on electric only?

Frimley111R

15,985 posts

241 months

Yesterday (13:04)
quotequote all
I'm not sure an EV committed manufacturer going to hybrid tech is much of a story. Almost every company that said they would be EV only has to go hybrid for the short term future.

I'm not convinced by this ultra fast charging tech in cars. There just won't be chargers around, or certainly very few, that can provide such immense charging power.

blueacid

483 posts

148 months

Yesterday (13:18)
quotequote all
Frimley111R said:
I'm not sure an EV committed manufacturer going to hybrid tech is much of a story. Almost every company that said they would be EV only has to go hybrid for the short term future.

I'm not convinced by this ultra fast charging tech in cars. There just won't be chargers around, or certainly very few, that can provide such immense charging power.
There won't be? Oh, are they going to have to start closing all the 100kW+ rate ones? There are already a fair few!
Head to https://www.zap-map.com/live/ and filter it by 100kW-350kW rate. Plus if it's able to run on petrol, there goes any concerns if you are planning a journey somewhere which is a bit more sparse.

Clackattack

16 posts

Yesterday (13:55)
quotequote all
Almost everyone I know with a hybrid can seldom be arsed to plug the thing in, and just puts fuel in it and be done with it. So in the majority of cases, little more than a 1/2 tonne heavier and less efficient ICE car. How this is good for the planet I'll never know.

otolith

59,051 posts

211 months

Yesterday (14:11)
quotequote all
Geely co-owns HORSE with Renault, and HORSE will be providing Mercedes with the compact four cylinder turbo for the CLA

https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-germancars/woa...

So that may be a candidate for this.

Note that what they are proposing is a range extended EV - the engine will just run a generator, not turn the wheels.

It's also worth noting that the EU's big tariffs on Chinese build BEVs do not apply to PHEVs, including this kind of range extended BEV.

andy43

10,589 posts

261 months

Yesterday (14:13)
quotequote all
otolith said:
Geely co-owns HORSE with Renault, and HORSE will be providing Mercedes with the compact four cylinder turbo for the CLA

https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-germancars/woa...

So that may be a candidate for this.

Note that what they are proposing is a range extended EV - the engine will just run a generator, not turn the wheels.

It's also worth noting that the EU's big tariffs on Chinese build BEVs do not apply to PHEVs, including this kind of range extended BEV.
Ah. I was kind of thinking it’d be a range extender.
A good idea but not exactly ground breaking - Honda have had this sewn up for years, along with Briggs & Stratton.

LotusOmega375D

Original Poster:

8,092 posts

160 months

Yesterday (14:51)
quotequote all
Lotus have been here before, with the Evora 414E range extender, first shown 14 years ago!




smilo996

3,057 posts

177 months

Yesterday (15:26)
quotequote all
So Geely has promised to Lotus super quick battery replenishment technology. Beginning to wonder what Lotus are contributing.

Kosy

120 posts

168 months

Yesterday (15:38)
quotequote all
More than a touch of Urus about that I would say.

Frimley111R

15,985 posts

241 months

Yesterday (16:41)
quotequote all
blueacid said:
Frimley111R said:
I'm not sure an EV committed manufacturer going to hybrid tech is much of a story. Almost every company that said they would be EV only has to go hybrid for the short term future.

I'm not convinced by this ultra fast charging tech in cars. There just won't be chargers around, or certainly very few, that can provide such immense charging power.
There won't be? Oh, are they going to have to start closing all the 100kW+ rate ones? There are already a fair few!
Head to https://www.zap-map.com/live/ and filter it by 100kW-350kW rate. .
No. A lot of those use load sharing and so won't run at such high levels, despite what it says, when other vehicles are charging. Of course there will always be some available but speeds of 350kW etc are insanely high. Don't think there's some magical way to pull such high loads from every location.

otolith

59,051 posts

211 months

Yesterday (16:48)
quotequote all
Frimley111R said:
No. A lot of those use load sharing and so won't run at such high levels, despite what it says, when other vehicles are charging. Of course there will always be some available but speeds of 350kW etc are insanely high. Don't think there's some magical way to pull such high loads from every location.
There are ways round it, assuming that your supply can meet the averaged out demand.

https://www.ads-tec-energy.com/products/charging/s...

Some sites have massive local battery capacity which they use to charge vehicles but also allow them to store solar and make money from energy arbitrage.

Foss62

1,192 posts

72 months

Yesterday (16:59)
quotequote all
Clackattack said:
Almost everyone I know with a hybrid can seldom be arsed to plug the thing in, and just puts fuel in it and be done with it. So in the majority of cases, little more than a 1/2 tonne heavier and less efficient ICE car. How this is good for the planet I'll never know.
You must know some spectacularly daft people then.
Most people I know (including me) get the astonishingly cheap electricity deals from companies like Octopus (who control the home chargers to suit their surpluses) and plug in whenever they get home.
Probably half my annual mileage in my PHEV is done on very cheap electricity and not petrol.

nismo48

4,439 posts

214 months

Yesterday (17:40)
quotequote all
My neighbour has his hybrid plugged in on cheap overnight power.

Justin-ow582

241 posts

112 months

Yesterday (17:46)
quotequote all
Clackattack said:
Almost everyone I know with a hybrid can seldom be arsed to plug the thing in, and just puts fuel in it and be done with it. So in the majority of cases, little more than a 1/2 tonne heavier and less efficient ICE car. How this is good for the planet I'll never know.
But that's their fault then, not the vehicle manufacturers.
That's like criticising a water supplier for the cost when always leaving the tap running whilst brushing your teeth.

Fastlane

1,262 posts

224 months

Yesterday (19:42)
quotequote all
Clackattack said:
Almost everyone I know with a hybrid can seldom be arsed to plug the thing in, and just puts fuel in it and be done with it. So in the majority of cases, little more than a 1/2 tonne heavier and less efficient ICE car. How this is good for the planet I'll never know.
Of course you do...

You not been banned yet? Won't be long.

Angelo1985

386 posts

33 months

Yesterday (20:03)
quotequote all
Clackattack said:
Almost everyone I know with a hybrid can seldom be arsed to plug the thing in, and just puts fuel in it and be done with it. So in the majority of cases, little more than a 1/2 tonne heavier and less efficient ICE car. How this is good for the planet I'll never know.
You need to change friends, mate.

Tin Hat

1,397 posts

216 months

Half a billion loss, what a whopping amount of money.

I simply love Lotus, I greatly admire the passion, engineering skill and genius that goes into its designs - but it sure has the ability to lose money for whoever owns it, will it ever reliably turn a profit!?

In respect of the EV tech here, well done to them but it is a bit of a yawn from me, I can’t think of a more boring way to spend money on a (potentially expensive)car

Miserablegit

4,171 posts

116 months

Why is this in British cars
It’s a Chinese-owned “lifestyle brand” which now builds EVs in China and will continue to do so as it slowly lets the UK employees go.
It’s dumping a load of costs into the UK to ensure it pays as little tax as possible here but that’s about it.
I was a fan of lotus