RE: Manual fast estates | Six of the Best

RE: Manual fast estates | Six of the Best

Saturday 16th November

Manual fast estates | Six of the Best

Of course you can't have the latest Golf R wagon with three pedals. Here's what you should buy instead...


Audi RS4 (B7), 2006, 63k, £27,995

Probably Audi’s best fast car of the 21st century with space for all the family - the B7 RS4 really is that significant. Of course the R8 will remain the poster child of the firm's early-'00s renaissance, as the mid-engined 911 rival with concept car styling, but the 420hp compact exec arguably remains the greater achievement. Even as an S4, this era of A4 never really sparkled, but the RS4 was a radically different proposition. The 4.2-litre V8 was a masterpiece, addicted to revs and with a wonderful soundtrack. But it was the way that the RS4 steered, rode and handled - which is to say superbly - that really marked it out as a very special super-saloon and estate. Almost 20 years later, Audi has never quite launched a car with quite the same impact. Which is why a low mileage, nicely presented wagon like this one can still command the best part of £30k.

See the original advert here

Subaru Legacy Spec B, 2005, 58k, £17,250

For the family-minded PHer who had maybe outgrown an Impreza, the Subaru Legacy - especially in its spicier Japanese Domestic Market variants - was the ideal alternative. It retained so much of what people loved about the smaller Subaru, including the EJ20 turbo flat-four, a clever four-wheel-drive system, and STI goodies if you were lucky, with a bit more space and a less overt appearance. Little wonder, then, that the best imports are now becoming highly prized; there haven’t been 2.0-litre Imprezas for a long time, and many have been thrashed, so a Legacy is a fine Plan B. Or Spec B, rather, just like this handsome 2005 example. It’s got 280hp, Bilstein suspension, gold Brembo calipers - and it’ll rev to 7,500rpm. With fewer than 60,000 miles, too, a five-speed manual like the good old days and what’s said to be a ‘top condition’ according to the seller, including underneath. The perfect family bus.

See the original advert here

Saab 9-5 Turbo Edition, 2009, 60k, £9,995

A Shed staple for many years, the most potent Saab estates are now becoming rather more valuable modern classics. It’s easy to see why, with plentiful power courtesy of a turbocharged 2.3-litre four-cylinder (260hp in this 9-5, no less), acres of space and a few little Saab idiosyncrasies that have endeared them to so many people over the decades. An after-dark drive with a Night Panel, loadsa torque and a manual gearbox really is an experience like no other. Because the big Saabs were so suited to big miles and worth precious little for so long, numbers have dwindled; big fixes were hard to justify with the car not worth much and others around. Which makes this Turbo Edition all the more notable: as a 2009 car, it’ll be one of the last ones around, made even more appealing with just 60,000 miles recorded. Not the obvious way to spend £10k - and all the more interesting for it.

See the original advert here

Skoda Octavia vRS 230, 2017, 50k, £14,295

For more than 20 years now, the Skoda Octavia vRS has been a very easy answer to the question of which car might suit as many people as possible for the most jobs around. There’s always been very little arguing with ample turbocharged performance, vast amounts of traditional load lugger space and comparatively low cost. So Skoda has continued making them just like that, year after year and generation after generation. Only now the Octavia vRS isn’t available with a manual gearbox, which only makes the previous model - complete with an interior that’s actually quite good - all the more appealing. This one, as well as a six-speed, is said to be one of the 230hp models that benefitted from the VAQ diff up front. Which was said to improve the Nurburgring lap time to the tune of 10 seconds. What better car for a tourist day road trip?

See the original advert here

Alfa Romeo 156 GTA Sportwagon, 2003, 106k, PH Auction

Now we’re talking. The Alfa Romeo 156 GTA was always a rare car, because UK buyers tended to prefer German badges on their compact executive cars, and the Sportwagon estate even more so. Because it wasn’t a tremendously practical estate, truth be told. So it’s believed that little more than 100 of these GTA wagons were officially sold in the UK. Bear in mind that that was two decades ago now and it becomes easier to understand why finding a good estate is such a big deal. This one has had just three owners since 2003, the current one for almost a decade, and was recommissioned last year. Oh yes, and the Q2 diff, Alfaholics downpipes and a Supersprint exhaust are fitted, so this 3.2-litre, Busso-engined GTA will go and sound just as good as it looks. Which is some promise. Bidding on this PH Auctions lot is already underway - don’t miss out…

See the original advert here

Ford Focus ST, 2022, 6k, £27,500

For those who’ve always found the usual suspects a little plain, the Ford Focus ST wagon has now been around a dozen years as a rather more feisty alternative. (There was an ST170 estate once upon a time, too, but they’ve vanishingly rare.) While the 2.0-litre Ecoboost ST was a good giggle, it was sometimes a tad too lairy for its own good; the 2.3-litre replacement, launched in 2019, was usefully improved without losing the fast Ford fun. There was a chunk more torque with the extra capacity - 310lb ft - through a chassis more capable of harnessing it as well, which made the estate in particular very easy to recommend. Likewise, the six-speed manual, which was slick shifting and engaging where the seven-speed torque converter auto was sluggish. Brass tacks: this is the ideal spec of the best Focus ST, complete with Mean Green paint and a handy saving off list. The tip run will never be the same again. 

See the original advert here


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Discussion

cerb4.5lee

Original Poster:

33,576 posts

187 months

Saturday 16th November
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The RS4 is my favourite out of those for sure.

daqinggregg

3,063 posts

136 months

Saturday 16th November
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Great line up, nice to see the author has resisted the temptation to include a 3/5 series touring, maybe no manual versions in the PH classifieds.

Audi RS4, probably the perfect family car for a real petrol head.

Subaru, for being different and sound alone, less yobbish than younger sister.

Saab, a bit left field, nice barge for covering long distances.

Skoda, practical family bus, that’s going to provide some excitement.

Alfa, because look at, everyone will tell you it will break, it wont, and you will enjoy it.

Focus, while I’m sure very capable, bit like the Skoda, but with less practicality.

I’m really torn, between the Audi, Subaru and the Alfa. Push comes to shove, the Alfa.

PomBstard

7,105 posts

249 months

Saturday 16th November
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Of that lot, predictably it’s the Subaru for me - from experience these cars are utterly underrated, with some people looking over them as being not quick enough or expensive to run - definitely greater than the numbers suggest, and mine were reliable too.

Outside of this list, I keep looking at the slightly later version of that Sube, the S402…

https://www.torque-gt.co.uk/blog/post/spotted-suba...

There’s one for sale near me too - and if I could get away with a smaller can now, I would be seriously tempted…

https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2008-suba...



Otherwise, HSV did a few - the latest manuals are a short run of VF1 wagons in 2013/14 with 340kW, but the preceding VE3 Clubsports were more-freely available with a 6sp manual and 317kW (431bhp)…

https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2010-hold...



Just add supercharger for 500+ bhp. Slightly bigger than an E Class too…

chirurgus

195 posts

223 months

Saturday 16th November
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cerb4.5lee said:
The RS4 is my favourite out of those for sure.
Same here. It’s the last of the subtle, fast RS cars that Audi made.
The common misconceptions that they don't make the claimed power and that they handle like most other Audis, pushing into understeer in corners are ill-founded in my experience. After a carbon clean and with a few minor mods, mine was tuned to almost 450hp on a dyno.
Cross-country on poor tarmac, it’s by far the fastest car that I’ve owned, with fantastic body control and extremely well-balanced handling. Kept above 4k rpm (which is easily done with such a rev-happy engine), immediate hard acceleration is available at any speed well into triple digits.
I’ve owned mine for more than seven years now and couldn’t bring myself to sell it when I moved to Aus. I’ve kept it in the UK to use as family transport when we visit Europe and always miss it when we fly back to Sydney.

Billy_Whizzzz

2,135 posts

150 months

Saturday 16th November
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Audi then… a manual 6 cylinder BMW which isn’t unfortunately in PH classifieds tho is on AT http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2024022870...

wistec1

448 posts

48 months

Saturday 16th November
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Alfa is on my buckets list and I ain't done one yet so this would be the first contender.

911Spanker

1,861 posts

23 months

Saturday 16th November
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I looked for a properly decent to drive fast estate with a manual gearbox but there is hardly anything really good.

I wanted RWD with an LSD.

MiniMan64

17,488 posts

197 months

Saturday 16th November
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Had two of these (nearly!)

The Skoda is a brilliant all rounder, giant inside, solid and sensible for carting the family around along with all that entails. Good interior and quick in a straight line. Zero issues with reliability but maybe a bit harsh on NVH.

The Alfa….broke a fair bit, much smaller inside but I could listen to it and look at it all day long. Should never have sold it.

Gibbler290

672 posts

102 months

Saturday 16th November
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That Alfa….damn.

hammo19

5,728 posts

203 months

Saturday 16th November
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Skoda for me brilliant cars. Where’s the Volvo?

sam.rog

905 posts

85 months

Saturday 16th November
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The legacy is a great car. That one is a great way of loosing £7k immediately. You can get really nice ones for £10k or under.
You really want the facelift mk4 legacy as it got the much stronger and better to use 6 speed.

I would love an s204 legacy but they are extremely rare and command a massive premium over the tuned by sti models.
Would make a great pairing with my spec c type ra impreza.

Blue62

9,379 posts

159 months

Saturday 16th November
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The B7 RS4 remains one of the best cars I’ve ever owned, the B9 couldn’t come close. I traded it in 2010 and think I got about £34k for it, the dealer had a buyer lined up who wanted Mugello with buckets and he couldn’t pay me quickly enough! The fact that fourteen years on they are still able to command strong money is testament to just how good they are.

GreatScott2016

1,467 posts

95 months

Saturday 16th November
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The Audi for me too in a heartbeat. As good as the Focus is, the estate version just looks odd to my eyes (similar to the Golf R in wagon guise), whereas the Audi just looks spot on. Have a soft spot for the Subaru because of my car history but the others do little for me.

EorS

23 posts

139 months

Saturday 16th November
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The Audi is a beaut and probably the choice for me. A question for the Alfa nerds, is that 156 sitting a bit high or is that the standard height for a 156 GTA?

zsdom

1,130 posts

127 months

Saturday 16th November
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Near £18k for a 20 year old Subaru is madness

Dan0000

3 posts

23 months

Saturday 16th November
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A list of rapid estates and no Volvo, shame on you 😆
My 2008 V50 T5 manual is only worth about 3k and you get a lovely 5 cylinder sound track as a bonus, granted they are pretty rare with a 3rd pedal, but they are out there.

W12AAM

126 posts

88 months

Saturday 16th November
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I can see us all looking fondly at all this choice of cars in a decade or so’s time when, we will have no choice but to only buy an EV.
All the exciting , nice ICE cars will have been kept and if ever sold, they will be for far more than you see here..!
We will be like the C21st Cuba ! …..trying to keep our ICE cars on the road for as long as we can….and all because the UK, alone, can feel good about trying to curtail this “Net Zero & Global Warming” rubbish.

hairykrishna

13,577 posts

210 months

Saturday 16th November
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sam.rog said:
The legacy is a great car. That one is a great way of loosing £7k immediately. You can get really nice ones for £10k or under.
You really want the facelift mk4 legacy as it got the much stronger and better to use 6 speed.

I would love an s204 legacy but they are extremely rare and command a massive premium over the tuned by sti models.
Would make a great pairing with my spec c type ra impreza.
They all seem a bit spendy. A like a fast Saab, I've had a few, but is a 9-5 estate really worth ten grand?

PomBstard

7,105 posts

249 months

Saturday 16th November
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sam.rog said:
I would love an s204 legacy but they are extremely rare and command a massive premium over the tuned by sti models.
Would make a great pairing with my spec c type ra impreza.
See my earlier post - AU$40k is just over £20k…

Tindersticks

1,273 posts

7 months

Saturday 16th November
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As nice as the RS4 was that's almost £30k for a nearly 20 year old car. Some brave pill required there.