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Franco5

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344 posts

66 months

Friday 8th November
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As savings interest rates are likely to decrease over the next year I want to use my £20000 S&S ISA allowance.

I’ve invested in low cost funds that I’ve found myself in the past and it’s generally worked OK other than the period 2022-23 when I assume higher interest rates took their toll.

Can anyone recommend a medium to low risk portfolio for my £20000 please?

Phooey

12,817 posts

176 months

Friday 8th November
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50% VWRL etf / 50% VAGS etf



av185

19,430 posts

134 months

Friday 8th November
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Other ideas

HSBC American Index
Jupiter India
L+G Global Technology Index Trust
L+G International Index Trust

DeuceDeuce

397 posts

99 months

Friday 8th November
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av185 said:
Other ideas

HSBC American Index
Jupiter India
L+G Global Technology Index Trust
L+G International Index Trust
How do you measure risk? Not sure these could be described as low to medium by any traditional definition of risk.

PM3

895 posts

67 months

Friday 8th November
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I'm ( ISA an GIA , not pensions )

53% VHVG
47% VUAG

Means I am about 84% vested in the USA ...which is a very happy situation recently

By usual definitions this is not low to medium risk. Low to medium risk just simply would not make the returns I want .

Sport_Turismo_GTS

1,054 posts

36 months

Friday 8th November
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Franco5 said:
As savings interest rates are likely to decrease over the next year I want to use my £20000 S&S ISA allowance.

I’ve invested in low cost funds that I’ve found myself in the past and it’s generally worked OK other than the period 2022-23 when I assume higher interest rates took their toll.

Can anyone recommend a medium to low risk portfolio for my £20000 please?
What is your definition of low to medium risk?

Are you comfortable with losing money over a 1 month / 1 year / 5 year period?

bitchstewie

55,093 posts

217 months

Friday 8th November
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It might be worth buying a copy of Tim Hale's Smarter Investing as it might help you clarify in your own mind what you're looking for but broadly speaking you could look at a simple mix of a global stock tracker and a global bond tracker but you would need to keep an eye and occasionally rebalance.

Or you could just buy a multi-asset fund that meets your appetite for risk and let that do all the work.

Take a look at the Vanguard LifeStrategy and HSBC Global Strategy range.

Bonefish Blues

29,387 posts

230 months

Friday 8th November
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bhstewie said:
It might be worth buying a copy of Tim Hale's Smarter Investing as it might help you clarify in your own mind what you're looking for but broadly speaking you could look at a simple mix of a global stock tracker and a global bond tracker but you would need to keep an eye and occasionally rebalance.

Or you could just buy a multi-asset fund that meets your appetite for risk and let that do all the work.

Take a look at the Vanguard LifeStrategy and HSBC Global Strategy range.
This is where we're going, I think.

chip*

1,099 posts

235 months

Friday 8th November
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DeuceDeuce said:
av185 said:
Other ideas

HSBC American Index
Jupiter India
L+G Global Technology Index Trust
L+G International Index Trust
How do you measure risk? Not sure these could be described as low to medium by any traditional definition of risk.
Risk, what is risk? hehe

Derek Chevalier

4,096 posts

180 months

Friday 8th November
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chip* said:
DeuceDeuce said:
av185 said:
Other ideas

HSBC American Index
Jupiter India
L+G Global Technology Index Trust
L+G International Index Trust
How do you measure risk? Not sure these could be described as low to medium by any traditional definition of risk.
Risk, what is risk? hehe
It's good to see India cropping up. The WIWNI (What Is Working Now Index) was starting to get a bit stale

Phooey

12,817 posts

176 months

Friday 8th November
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Derek Chevalier said:
It's good to see India cropping up. The WIWNI (What Is Working Now Index) was starting to get a bit stale
Feeling bullish on India?

ooid

4,583 posts

107 months

Friday 8th November
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From Warren Buffet's 2013 letter to the shareholders. (Berkshire Hathaway)

'...My money, I should add, is where my mouth is: What I advise here is essentially identical to certain instructions I’ve laid out in my will. One bequest provides that cash will be delivered to a trustee for my wife’s benefit. (I have to use cash for individual bequests, because all of my Berkshire shares will be fully distributed to certain philanthropic organizations over the ten years following the closing of my estate.) My advice to the trustee could not be more simple: Put 10% of the cash in short-term government bonds and 90% in a very low-cost S&P 500 index fund. (I suggest Vanguard’s.) I believe the trust’s long-term results from this policy will be superior to those attained by most investors – whether pension funds, institutions or individuals – who employ high-fee managers.'

mikef

5,242 posts

258 months

Friday 8th November
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bhstewie said:
It might be worth buying a copy of Tim Hale's Smarter Investing as it might help you clarify in your own mind what you're looking for but broadly speaking you could look at a simple mix of a global stock tracker and a global bond tracker but you would need to keep an eye and occasionally rebalance.

Or you could just buy a multi-asset fund that meets your appetite for risk and let that do all the work.

Take a look at the Vanguard LifeStrategy and HSBC Global Strategy range.
This is where we are - Vanguard LS 80, and moving other lower-performing ISAs there as well. The killer isn't performance, it's fees. As many found out after the Truss budget, funds still take their percentage fee when a numpty Chancellor has knocked 10% of their value in a year

Phooey

12,817 posts

176 months

Saturday 9th November
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mikef said:
bhstewie said:
It might be worth buying a copy of Tim Hale's Smarter Investing as it might help you clarify in your own mind what you're looking for but broadly speaking you could look at a simple mix of a global stock tracker and a global bond tracker but you would need to keep an eye and occasionally rebalance.

Or you could just buy a multi-asset fund that meets your appetite for risk and let that do all the work.

Take a look at the Vanguard LifeStrategy and HSBC Global Strategy range.
This is where we are - Vanguard LS 80, and moving other lower-performing ISAs there as well. The killer isn't performance, it's fees. As many found out after the Truss budget, funds still take their percentage fee when a numpty Chancellor has knocked 10% of their value in a year
I quite liked LifeStrategy up until recently... but this years two big events (budget / Trump) have massively changed my views on it. To have 25% in the UK index today needs some serious thinking. I wouldn't and won't be buying any more. Without another thread getting into politics have a think about who is running the UK and if you feel confident investing in it. Stick to a regular global index.

fourstardan

4,991 posts

151 months

Saturday 9th November
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Phooey said:
I quite liked LifeStrategy up until recently... but this years two big events (budget / Trump) have massively changed my views on it. To have 25% in the UK index today needs some serious thinking. I wouldn't and won't be buying any more. Without another thread getting into politics have a think about who is running the UK and if you feel confident investing in it. Stick to a regular global index.
I've got a smaller pot of pension on UK equities, it's very poor in comparison to the US one.



bitchstewie

55,093 posts

217 months

Saturday 9th November
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If I was looking I would (and do) prefer the HSBC range because they reflect global weightings more accurately.

Phooey

12,817 posts

176 months

Saturday 9th November
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fourstardan said:
it's very poor in comparison to the US one.
It will be, and it crosses a point where it will probably never catch up.

I certainly wouldn't be all in on the US unless my pot was large enough to handle a 50% fall, and I still probably wouldn't be all in on the US then anyway, but I also wouldn't underweight it by going outside a global index. There's nothing to say a global index can't have a lost decade but unless you have a very rare skill, expertise or luck of picking winners (and avoiding losers) your safest way to increase your investments is a slow and steady average approach over a very long time.

ooid

4,583 posts

107 months

Saturday 9th November
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If you look at last three years risk adj. returns, not a massive difference between Vanguard FTSE All-World and Vanguard LifeStrategy 100%. 0.45 / 0.42

It all comes down to the cost of the fund than I guess, there is a good risk/return comparison chart on markets.ft.com

trevalvole

1,270 posts

40 months

Saturday 9th November
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bhstewie said:
It might be worth buying a copy of Tim Hale's Smarter Investing as it might help you clarify in your own mind what you're looking for but broadly speaking you could look at a simple mix of a global stock tracker and a global bond tracker but you would need to keep an eye and occasionally rebalance.
And as a bonus, I think Tim Hale must be a PHer as he uses the phrase "pull the trigger".

bitchstewie

55,093 posts

217 months

Saturday 9th November
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The point of ranges like LifeStrategy or Global Strategy is that they aren't necessarily about the best possible returns.

They're about meeting your goals whilst being able to sleep at night because you can forget about them and you probably won't end up far off where someone who spends every waking hour thinking about it will end up.