2025: BTCC chat & discussion

2025: BTCC chat & discussion

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Sebring440

Original Poster:

2,309 posts

103 months

Wednesday 30th October
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The 2025 Kwik Fit British Touring Car Championship Season Launch will take place at Donington Park while Croft has also been chosen to host two official pre-season test days:

https://btcc.net/2025-season-launch-and-official-t...

The 2025 BTCC calendar:

https://btcc.net/2025-btcc-calendar-announced/

It will be an interesting few months ahead, with drivers leaving the championship, and some more returning.

GlobalRacer

332 posts

20 months

Thursday 31st October
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BTCC are dropping the hybrid system and moving to sustainable fuel instead. The extra boost will come purely from the turbo.

https://btcc.net/btcc-introduces-100-sustainable-f...

clubracing

344 posts

213 months

Thursday 31st October
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This seems like an odd decision to me, as they're not returning to having success ballast, instead having the same power increases as from the hybrid system but provided solely from temporarily increased boost pressure.

The staggered amounts of power boost have just never worked as well as the success ballast did for producing entertaining racing, and I would think from the perspective of attracting new manufacturers or sponsors for the long term health of the championship, having hybrid and carbon neutral fuel is better than one or the other.

I'm sure the teams currently in the championship will appreciate the reduced running costs next season, but it seems that just as the hard work has been done and they now have a mostly reliable hybrid system, it's being dropped.

GlobalRacer

332 posts

20 months

Thursday 31st October
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I wonder what the per litre price difference is between the race fuel they were using and the synthetic fuel?

Sebring440

Original Poster:

2,309 posts

103 months

Thursday 31st October
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GlobalRacer said:
I wonder what the per litre price difference is between the race fuel they were using and the synthetic fuel?
The new fuel will be expensive!

Jimjimhim

1,513 posts

7 months

Thursday 31st October
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Presumably cheaper than running an expensive hybrid set up?

99hjhm

430 posts

193 months

Thursday 31st October
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Sebring440 said:
The new fuel will be expensive!
Based on Sunoco prices (I know they are probably going to use Carless ECO blend) its about 50% more on a 20L can.

Might be sustainable and less greenhouse gases when burned, but any fuel thats shipped about in small quantities must have an horrific carbon footprint?

MB140

4,355 posts

110 months

Thursday 31st October
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clubracing said:
This seems like an odd decision to me, as they're not returning to having success ballast, instead having the same power increases as from the hybrid system but provided solely from temporarily increased boost pressure.

The staggered amounts of power boost have just never worked as well as the success ballast did for producing entertaining racing, and I would think from the perspective of attracting new manufacturers or sponsors for the long term health of the championship, having hybrid and carbon neutral fuel is better than one or the other.

I'm sure the teams currently in the championship will appreciate the reduced running costs next season, but it seems that just as the hard work has been done and they now have a mostly reliable hybrid system, it's being dropped.
I can’t believe they haven’t gone back to a success ballast system. It affects the car in every dynamic, braking, cornering, accelerating, change of direction. It allows the penalty of the extra weight to give other drivers a chance to overtake.

Hybrid and now boost pressure increases only effects the car in acceleration. It’s such a blunt tool with only one dynamic effect.

As for using sustainable eco fuel. When is the world going to wake up to the fact that these fuels require a shed load of energy to produce, are only made in small quantities, cost a fortune and (at a guess) shipping them around the world has no benefits compared to stock fuel to the environment.

Either way I’m glad we have got rid of hybrid, expensive, heavy and the same output can be produced by using boost pressure without the complexity and weight of hybrid.

Role on 2025 season.

Milkyway

10,058 posts

60 months

Thursday 31st October
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Hybrid.... Tolerable, but never have been a fan from day one.
Most of the time I completely forgot about it.
So... Yey.

Edited by Milkyway on Friday 1st November 21:34

Speed Badger

2,939 posts

124 months

Friday 1st November
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I never like the fact that the Hybrid and no relation to the real world cars. You can't buy a Hyundai N with a 2.0 turbo engine with Hybrid boost, for example. It always seemed to me like a tacked-on method to show ' hey look we're doing the environmental electric stuff too' and ticking a box.

I don't know what the answer is, success ballast for all it's faults did actually work. Although I'd probably just save it for race three only. Different tyre compounds work, but becomes farcical when you have drivers that don't bother defending from a soft-shod car as it's pointless. Pit stops? We've done that, and probably for every one race it spiced up, there were three others that it made dull.

Maybe 40 minute races with pitstops and you have to run both the soft and hard compounds?

Sebring440

Original Poster:

2,309 posts

103 months

Friday 1st November
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99hjhm said:
but any fuel thats shipped about in small quantities must have an horrific carbon footprint?
Maybe it does, who knows? But much less of a "carbon footprint" that those heavy ol' diesel generators the teams used to charge the hybrid batteries.


Milkyway

10,058 posts

60 months

Friday 1st November
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Lord Gow wants to lure in his missing four cars... Then he will be content(ish).

Sebring440

Original Poster:

2,309 posts

103 months

Friday 1st November
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Milkyway said:
Hybrid.... Tolerable, but never have been a fan from day one.
Most of the time I completely forgot about it.
So... Yey.
Milkyway said:
Lord Gow wants to lure in his missing four cars... Then he will be content(ish).
Are you OK?


Milkyway

10,058 posts

60 months

Saturday 2nd November
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Sebring440 said:
Are you OK?
Tickety boo... Thanks for asking. thumbup
( Hope you aren't Lord Gow). yikes


Edited by Milkyway on Saturday 2nd November 08:47

GlobalRacer

332 posts

20 months

Saturday 2nd November
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Sebring440 said:
Maybe it does, who knows? But much less of a "carbon footprint" that those heavy ol' diesel generators the teams used to charge the hybrid batteries.
Who knows either way. Without a detailed breakdown of the journey of every part of the differences between the two setups it's impossible to say. There are many other factors to consider as well such as is the biomass waste truly waste or is it something that could have fed animals and how long before there isn't enough waste biomass and food crops start to be used as synthetic fuels spreads to the mainstream?

Just as with the hybrid it's all about the perception than reality in a lot of ways.

Puddenchucker

4,446 posts

225 months

Saturday 2nd November
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GlobalRacer said:
Sebring440 said:
Maybe it does, who knows? But much less of a "carbon footprint" that those heavy ol' diesel generators the teams used to charge the hybrid batteries.
Who knows either way. Without a detailed breakdown of the journey of every part of the differences between the two setups it's impossible to say. There are many other factors to consider as well such as is the biomass waste truly waste or is it something that could have fed animals and how long before there isn't enough waste biomass and food crops start to be used as synthetic fuels spreads to the mainstream?

Just as with the hybrid it's all about the perception than reality in a lot of ways.
The fact remains that no motorsport is enviromnmentaly friendly no mater what energy source used.
You have environmental 'cost' of building the vehicles, transporting them around the country or planet for international series, consumables such as tyres & brakes, plus any damage repairs. And then there's the carbon footprint of all the spectators travelling to/from the venue (as there is with any sport). I'll still watch though.....

GlobalRacer

332 posts

20 months

Monday 4th November
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Some more (sensible) rule tweeks for next season - https://btcc.net/btcc-confirms-further-rule-tweaks...

Sebring440

Original Poster:

2,309 posts

103 months

Monday 4th November
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GlobalRacer said:
Some more (sensible) rule tweeks for next season
"all cars must cease weaving, braking and/or accelerating and stay no more than two car lengths from the car ahead of them."

I wonder how they will police this. Two car lengths? What would the penalty be for being two and a half car lengths back? And who would decide/report this? How can they accurately measure car lengths?

GlobalRacer

332 posts

20 months

Monday 4th November
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Sebring440 said:
"all cars must cease weaving, braking and/or accelerating and stay no more than two car lengths from the car ahead of them."

I wonder how they will police this. Two car lengths? What would the penalty be for being two and a half car lengths back? And who would decide/report this? How can they accurately measure car lengths?
Aussie Supercars ran this rule for years before changing for this year so I expect Gow has consulted with them.

matt5964

85 posts

23 months

Wednesday 6th November
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Nice to see Jack back with a full total defence with MB Laser at WSR