Jaguar, The New Era...

[V12 Migaloo]

Someone told me they'd seen renders, drawings, probably a mock up of the new Jags being released next year.... I haven't... has any one?

[reddiesel]

I haven't seen anything and I have been actively looking . The present situation is I think without precedent in Automotive Manufacture certainly concerning a volume Producer . I am particularly interested in Model line ups and which sector JLR will target .I suppose there must be Consumers who now regard Jaguar as an SUV manufacturer rather than one of Sporting Saloons and Sports Cars .

[Jon39]

Is it true that Jaguar are still aiming purely at the £100,000 plus EV sector ?

Mercedes-Benz tried that with the EQS saloon; EQS SUV; EQE saloon; EQE SUV and sales have been dreadful.
You can now buy an almost new EQS, for about 40% off the new price. The proposed replacement platform project for those models has now been abandoned.

[V12 Migaloo]

EQS lease prices are around £1,400 (10k per year), last month I was offered one at £600..... I called the company 15 minutes after receiving the email and they had all gone... I think the reason the merc EQS didn't bode so well was that it wasn't really an electric S class, it's interior quality was well below par.. If Jaguar doesn't get it act together soon then they will have to remind everyone who they are...

[Simpo Two]

A friend of mine recently bought an F-Pace and found to his disappointment that it's not compatible with Octopus's low charging tariff. He says it costs as much to put electricity into it as it did to put petrol into his old car.

[NortonES2]

How the **** does he get electricity into his f-pace?

[croyde]

NortonES2 said:

How the **** does he get electricity into his f-pace?

[Dashnine]

Simpo Two said:

A friend of mine recently bought an F-Pace and found to his disappointment that it's not compatible with Octopus's low charging tariff. He says it costs as much to put electricity into it as it did to put petrol into his old car.

Relevance?

[Jon39]

Simpo Two said:

A friend of mine recently bought an F-Pace and found to his disappointment that it's not compatible with Octopus's low charging tariff. He says it costs as much to put electricity into it as it did to put petrol into his old car.

It is not like the Aston Martin forum here, John.

You make a simple mistake of mistyping F instead of I, then it is tin hat on.

[Dashnine]

Jon39 said:

Simpo Two said:

A friend of mine recently bought an F-Pace and found to his disappointment that it's not compatible with Octopus's low charging tariff. He says it costs as much to put electricity into it as it did to put petrol into his old car.

It is not like the Aston Martin forum here, John.

You make a simple mistake of mistyping F instead of I, then it is tin hat on.

Well, there is a F-Pace Hybrid (which was what I assume he meant), so it's a valid if still irrelevent issue. If your car isn't supported by Octopus, ensure the wall charger is.

[NortonES2]

Dashnine said:

Well, there is a F-Pace Hybrid (which was what I assume he meant), so it's a valid if still irrelevent issue. If your car isn't supported by Octopus, ensure the wall charger is.

Good point forgot about PHEV, apologies for my earlier post.

[Evercross]

Dashnine said:

If your car isn't supported by Octopus, ensure the wall charger is.

A bit OT, but this is EV 101 - don't rely on the in-vehicle tech for managing your charging because it is too easy for them to make it proprietary and/or render it awkward with future updates.

A dumb charger with a basic electronic timer is foolproof in this regard.

[Dashnine]

Evercross said:

Dashnine said:

If your car isn't supported by Octopus, ensure the wall charger is.

A bit OT, but this is EV 101 - don't rely on the in-vehicle tech for managing your charging because it is too easy for them to make it proprietary and/or render it awkward with future updates.

A dumb charger with a basic electronic timer is foolproof in this regard.

Which is where I've ended up, as dumb as you can get with an Alexa (hence timed) enabled granny charger to charge between 23:30 and 05:30.

Octopus Intelligent Go accessing the car (via the Cupra app API) ended up draining the 12V battery constantly logging in and starting / stopping the charge to their preferred schedule that it'd start the engine to charge the 12V battery even after being fully charged.

[Simpo Two]

NortonES2 said:

How the **** does he get electricity into his f-pace?

I googled 'F-Pace' and it looked like what he had. Must been a something else Pace. Blame the marketing department.

Dashnine said:

Simpo Two said:

A friend of mine recently bought an F-Pace and found to his disappointment that it's not compatible with Octopus's low charging tariff. He says it costs as much to put electricity into it as it did to put petrol into his old car.

Relevance?

That Jaguar's 'new era' is making EVs that don't work properly with the country's largest electricity supplier.

[Dashnine]

Simpo Two said:

That Jaguar's 'new era' is making EVs that don't work properly with the country's largest electricity supplier.

Not yet they're not.

I think most of the OEMs Octopus have provided connectivity for are pure EV makers, if you have a hybrid (as I do) it's a bonus. Jaguar only had the (ageing) i-Pace and a few hybrids, all of which will have different app / connectivity to the as yet to be released / previewed EVs that Jaguar will eventually bring out.

[reddiesel]

Simpo Two said:

That Jaguar's 'new era' is making EVs that don't work properly with the country's largest electricity supplier.

I cant say that I will be queuing up at the Showroom to buy one that's for sure . Almost 85% of all new registrations are on Leasing Deals so if the rates are competitive then like Range Rovers I suppose they will shift them .

[miniman]

Evercross said:

A bit OT, but this is EV 101 - don't rely on the in-vehicle tech for managing your charging because it is too easy for them to make it proprietary and/or render it awkward with future updates.

A dumb charger with a basic electronic timer is foolproof in this regard.

Our Ohme wall box works brilliantly with Octopus, our charging costs are now absolutely trivial.

[Simpo Two]

Dashnine said:

I think most of the OEMs Octopus have provided connectivity for are pure EV makers, if you have a hybrid (as I do) it's a bonus. Jaguar only had the (ageing) i-Pace and a few hybrids, all of which will have different app / connectivity to the as yet to be released / previewed EVs that Jaguar will eventually bring out.

It's a pity that EV charging ended up so much more complex than petrol/diesel. Is there any reason why you can't just plug a car in, let it charge then pay with a credit card? I can't see what 'apps' bring to the picture other than confusion.

[Dashnine]

Simpo Two said:

Dashnine said:

I think most of the OEMs Octopus have provided connectivity for are pure EV makers, if you have a hybrid (as I do) it's a bonus. Jaguar only had the (ageing) i-Pace and a few hybrids, all of which will have different app / connectivity to the as yet to be released / previewed EVs that Jaguar will eventually bring out.

It's a pity that EV charging ended up so much more complex than petrol/diesel. Is there any reason why you can't just plug a car in, let it charge then pay with a credit card? I can't see what 'apps' bring to the picture other than confusion.

By ‘app’ in this case I mean the car manufacturers own app - most EV and hybrid cars have an app by which you can remotely start / stop charging, heating, air con, lock / unlock the car, flash the lights when lost in a car park, etc. Some features useful, some not so.

Obviously you don’t need a credit card to charge at home with a granny charger or wall box, but I think (new?) charge points have to accept contactless payments now, as a hybrid owner I’ve never used one.

[ds666]

Simpo Two said:

Dashnine said:

I think most of the OEMs Octopus have provided connectivity for are pure EV makers, if you have a hybrid (as I do) it's a bonus. Jaguar only had the (ageing) i-Pace and a few hybrids, all of which will have different app / connectivity to the as yet to be released / previewed EVs that Jaguar will eventually bring out.

It's a pity that EV charging ended up so much more complex than petrol/diesel. Is there any reason why you can't just plug a car in, let it charge then pay with a credit card? I can't see what 'apps' bring to the picture other than confusion.

About 5 years ago charging on public chargers was a nightmare - standing by a charger downloading their ap etc . Now it is all contactless . Doddle