Tesla product launch

Tesla product launch

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Pivo-T

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1,123 posts

42 months

Sunday 13th October
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I don’t have a Tesla, but one has to admire the vision, ingenuity and sheer drive to deliver innovative products.

I am particularly impressed with the 2-door CyberCab, with no steering wheel, nor pedals. Just a tablet to operate it.
I can see myself getting one to drive me to the office, do uber-duty while I am at work, and drive me home after hours.
Then on the weekend I can enjoy my 992T with M/T even more.

The Optimus, is also cool, can do all the house/garden chores, so I can enjoy more free time.

Future looks awesome, don’t you think?

ChocolateFrog

28,637 posts

180 months

Sunday 13th October
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Doubt I'll still be around by the time it comes to market.

Pivo-T

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1,123 posts

42 months

Sunday 13th October
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And I just saw on X/Twitter that the SpaceX booster rocket landed straight into MechaZilla arms!

https://x.com/drelidavid/status/184544651258462658...


TheDeuce

25,190 posts

73 months

Sunday 13th October
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For all of Musks faults... He does have a habit of actually delivering the crazy st he promises, albeit with mixed results.

I'm quite tempted by the idea of a home robot, I like the idea of a perfectly tended garden and all the other easy to do but relatively tedious jobs being taken care of. We already have a cleaner so are used to a monthly cost to make life easier.

I won't be along the very first adopters, I expect more like 2027 until product is generally available. If they prove reliable and effective and the price ~£25-35k is true then I can easily imagine us taking the plunge.

What's interesting is that it's AI that now makes these robots possible and practical, but also it will be the embodiment in robots that drives future development of AI, so things are going to start moving very, very fast once home and work robots become an established and competitive industry. I think about how fast the world is starting to transform, and then think about how many people are kicking up a fuss about something as basic as car power trains becoming electric...

People need to get used to rapid change, its coming.

Richard-D

1,022 posts

71 months

Sunday 13th October
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Pivo-T said:
I don’t have a Tesla, but one has to admire the vision, ingenuity and sheer drive to deliver innovative products.

I am particularly impressed with the 2-door CyberCab, with no steering wheel, nor pedals. Just a tablet to operate it.
I can see myself getting one to drive me to the office, do uber-duty while I am at work, and drive me home after hours.
Then on the weekend I can enjoy my 992T with M/T even more.

The Optimus, is also cool, can do all the house/garden chores, so I can enjoy more free time.

Future looks awesome, don’t you think?
It's great if there's some idea of how to make it. If that doesn't exist then it's just someone's 'pie in the sky' idea made to look like an advert. It's not like he's above dressing someone up in lycra and pretending they're a robot is it?

TheDeuce

25,190 posts

73 months

Sunday 13th October
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Richard-D said:
Pivo-T said:
I don’t have a Tesla, but one has to admire the vision, ingenuity and sheer drive to deliver innovative products.

I am particularly impressed with the 2-door CyberCab, with no steering wheel, nor pedals. Just a tablet to operate it.
I can see myself getting one to drive me to the office, do uber-duty while I am at work, and drive me home after hours.
Then on the weekend I can enjoy my 992T with M/T even more.

The Optimus, is also cool, can do all the house/garden chores, so I can enjoy more free time.

Future looks awesome, don’t you think?
It's great if there's some idea of how to make it. If that doesn't exist then it's just someone's 'pie in the sky' idea made to look like an advert. It's not like he's above dressing someone up in lycra and pretending they're a robot is it?
You are aware that there are already fully autonomous taxis taking fares and driving 24/7?

Musk is a showman, but it's well within his companies technology and general resource to deliver autonomous taxis.

And household robots, which is set to be a huge market, one which he clearly keen to take the first movers advantage in.

98elise

28,223 posts

168 months

Sunday 13th October
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ChocolateFrog said:
Doubt I'll still be around by the time it comes to market.
This.

Musk does deliver....just years/decades afterwards he says he will.


ChocolateFrog

28,637 posts

180 months

Sunday 13th October
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It's almost exactly 7 years since he announced the Roadster and it's still not available.

Essentially just a car that's a bit quicker than their other cars.

And people think we're going to have robots that can do all our house and garden work in 3 years?


TheDeuce

25,190 posts

73 months

Sunday 13th October
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ChocolateFrog said:
It's almost exactly 7 years since he announced the Roadster and it's still not available.

Essentially just a car that's a bit quicker than their other cars.

And people think we're going to have robots that can do all our house and garden work in 3 years?
I really do think we will, or at least those that can afford them will.

This is set to be an industry bigger than automotive, people are racing to deliver solutions - not just Musk.

The robots plainly work, AI has seen to that. A robot will be 10x less efficient than I am at weeding, but that's not point - the point is that I don't care how long a task takes if I'm not doing it...

I don't put too much faith in Musks ability to deliver either - although he has had some extraordinary success, but the fact he's gunning at a target means others are too. It's going to happen and it'll happen surprisingly quickly. AI has unlocked the practical applications of robots.

DMZ

1,560 posts

167 months

Sunday 13th October
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It mostly sounds like solutions waiting for a problem.

But I get it. He needs to talk some futuristic talk given that the Chinese can also stick iPads in cars and usually roll out a better built product years earlier than Tesla does. But Tesla is luckily protected by tariffs in most markets so the urgency is perhaps not there while Elon makes up stuff.

TheDeuce

25,190 posts

73 months

Sunday 13th October
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DMZ said:
It mostly sounds like solutions waiting for a problem.

But I get it. He needs to talk some futuristic talk given that the Chinese can also stick iPads in cars and usually roll out a better built product years earlier than Tesla does. But Tesla is luckily protected by tariffs in most markets so the urgency is perhaps not there while Elon makes up stuff.
Solutions waiting for a problem...

We already have a need for taxis and household help, people employ cleaners and gardeners - the market certainly exists.


Silvanus

6,041 posts

30 months

Sunday 13th October
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TheDeuce said:
DMZ said:
It mostly sounds like solutions waiting for a problem.

But I get it. He needs to talk some futuristic talk given that the Chinese can also stick iPads in cars and usually roll out a better built product years earlier than Tesla does. But Tesla is luckily protected by tariffs in most markets so the urgency is perhaps not there while Elon makes up stuff.
Solutions waiting for a problem...

We already have a need for taxis and household help, people employ cleaners and gardeners - the market certainly exists.
and what jobs will these people do when Robots start doing those type of jobs?

ChocolateFrog

28,637 posts

180 months

Sunday 13th October
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TheDeuce said:
ChocolateFrog said:
It's almost exactly 7 years since he announced the Roadster and it's still not available.

Essentially just a car that's a bit quicker than their other cars.

And people think we're going to have robots that can do all our house and garden work in 3 years?
I really do think we will, or at least those that can afford them will.

This is set to be an industry bigger than automotive, people are racing to deliver solutions - not just Musk.

The robots plainly work, AI has seen to that. A robot will be 10x less efficient than I am at weeding, but that's not point - the point is that I don't care how long a task takes if I'm not doing it...

I don't put too much faith in Musks ability to deliver either - although he has had some extraordinary success, but the fact he's gunning at a target means others are too. It's going to happen and it'll happen surprisingly quickly. AI has unlocked the practical applications of robots.
I'm going to say no chance bar the odd billionaires gimmick that does a worse job than a Haribo fuelled 4 year old.

Won't have to wait long to find out.

TheDeuce

25,190 posts

73 months

Sunday 13th October
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Silvanus said:
TheDeuce said:
DMZ said:
It mostly sounds like solutions waiting for a problem.

But I get it. He needs to talk some futuristic talk given that the Chinese can also stick iPads in cars and usually roll out a better built product years earlier than Tesla does. But Tesla is luckily protected by tariffs in most markets so the urgency is perhaps not there while Elon makes up stuff.
Solutions waiting for a problem...

We already have a need for taxis and household help, people employ cleaners and gardeners - the market certainly exists.
and what jobs will these people do when Robots start doing those type of jobs?
The same as has been happening for centuries, people will cumulatively work less. That's why most people now work just 35-40 hours a week, not 12 hours a day, 6 days of the week.

All that's going to happen next is the rate of change will accelerate.

Humans need to focus on being great humans, not slow, fleshy machines or calculators.

Silvanus

6,041 posts

30 months

Sunday 13th October
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TheDeuce said:
Silvanus said:
TheDeuce said:
DMZ said:
It mostly sounds like solutions waiting for a problem.

But I get it. He needs to talk some futuristic talk given that the Chinese can also stick iPads in cars and usually roll out a better built product years earlier than Tesla does. But Tesla is luckily protected by tariffs in most markets so the urgency is perhaps not there while Elon makes up stuff.
Solutions waiting for a problem...

We already have a need for taxis and household help, people employ cleaners and gardeners - the market certainly exists.
and what jobs will these people do when Robots start doing those type of jobs?
The same as has been happening for centuries, people will cumulatively work less. That's why most people now work just 35-40 hours a week, not 12 hours a day, 6 days of the week.

All that's going to happen next is the rate of change will accelerate.

Humans need to focus on being great humans, not slow, fleshy machines or calculators.
I can't see it working out quite like that.

TheDeuce

25,190 posts

73 months

Sunday 13th October
quotequote all
Silvanus said:
TheDeuce said:
Silvanus said:
TheDeuce said:
DMZ said:
It mostly sounds like solutions waiting for a problem.

But I get it. He needs to talk some futuristic talk given that the Chinese can also stick iPads in cars and usually roll out a better built product years earlier than Tesla does. But Tesla is luckily protected by tariffs in most markets so the urgency is perhaps not there while Elon makes up stuff.
Solutions waiting for a problem...

We already have a need for taxis and household help, people employ cleaners and gardeners - the market certainly exists.
and what jobs will these people do when Robots start doing those type of jobs?
The same as has been happening for centuries, people will cumulatively work less. That's why most people now work just 35-40 hours a week, not 12 hours a day, 6 days of the week.

All that's going to happen next is the rate of change will accelerate.

Humans need to focus on being great humans, not slow, fleshy machines or calculators.
I can't see it working out quite like that.
Fairly typical, I expect most folk will seriously underestimate the shift that's about to occur.

It's inevitable though, it's natural - humans won't stop developing technology and when several technologies combine, things will take an uncomfortable leap forwards.


Silvanus

6,041 posts

30 months

Sunday 13th October
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TheDeuce said:
Silvanus said:
TheDeuce said:
Silvanus said:
TheDeuce said:
DMZ said:
It mostly sounds like solutions waiting for a problem.

But I get it. He needs to talk some futuristic talk given that the Chinese can also stick iPads in cars and usually roll out a better built product years earlier than Tesla does. But Tesla is luckily protected by tariffs in most markets so the urgency is perhaps not there while Elon makes up stuff.
Solutions waiting for a problem...

We already have a need for taxis and household help, people employ cleaners and gardeners - the market certainly exists.
and what jobs will these people do when Robots start doing those type of jobs?
The same as has been happening for centuries, people will cumulatively work less. That's why most people now work just 35-40 hours a week, not 12 hours a day, 6 days of the week.

All that's going to happen next is the rate of change will accelerate.

Humans need to focus on being great humans, not slow, fleshy machines or calculators.
I can't see it working out quite like that.
Fairly typical, I expect most folk will seriously underestimate the shift that's about to occur.

It's inevitable though, it's natural - humans won't stop developing technology and when several technologies combine, things will take an uncomfortable leap forwards.
I don't doubt there will be forward leaps, I just don't think that advances in technology are always for the best.

TheDeuce

25,190 posts

73 months

Sunday 13th October
quotequote all
Silvanus said:
TheDeuce said:
Silvanus said:
TheDeuce said:
Silvanus said:
TheDeuce said:
DMZ said:
It mostly sounds like solutions waiting for a problem.

But I get it. He needs to talk some futuristic talk given that the Chinese can also stick iPads in cars and usually roll out a better built product years earlier than Tesla does. But Tesla is luckily protected by tariffs in most markets so the urgency is perhaps not there while Elon makes up stuff.
Solutions waiting for a problem...

We already have a need for taxis and household help, people employ cleaners and gardeners - the market certainly exists.
and what jobs will these people do when Robots start doing those type of jobs?
The same as has been happening for centuries, people will cumulatively work less. That's why most people now work just 35-40 hours a week, not 12 hours a day, 6 days of the week.

All that's going to happen next is the rate of change will accelerate.

Humans need to focus on being great humans, not slow, fleshy machines or calculators.
I can't see it working out quite like that.
Fairly typical, I expect most folk will seriously underestimate the shift that's about to occur.

It's inevitable though, it's natural - humans won't stop developing technology and when several technologies combine, things will take an uncomfortable leap forwards.
I don't doubt there will be forward leaps, I just don't think that advances in technology are always for the best.
I agree, sometimes they're not for the best. Although generally problems caused by technology are addressed by later technology.

I'm not celebrating the changes that are about to occur, I'm just trying to be realistic about them and plan around them.

The world's going a bit sci-fi, but it is happening and won't be stopped.

Pivo-T

Original Poster:

1,123 posts

42 months

Sunday 13th October
quotequote all
TheDeuce said:
Silvanus said:
TheDeuce said:
Silvanus said:
TheDeuce said:
Silvanus said:
TheDeuce said:
DMZ said:
It mostly sounds like solutions waiting for a problem.

But I get it. He needs to talk some futuristic talk given that the Chinese can also stick iPads in cars and usually roll out a better built product years earlier than Tesla does. But Tesla is luckily protected by tariffs in most markets so the urgency is perhaps not there while Elon makes up stuff.
Solutions waiting for a problem...

We already have a need for taxis and household help, people employ cleaners and gardeners - the market certainly exists.
and what jobs will these people do when Robots start doing those type of jobs?
The same as has been happening for centuries, people will cumulatively work less. That's why most people now work just 35-40 hours a week, not 12 hours a day, 6 days of the week.

All that's going to happen next is the rate of change will accelerate.

Humans need to focus on being great humans, not slow, fleshy machines or calculators.
I can't see it working out quite like that.
Fairly typical, I expect most folk will seriously underestimate the shift that's about to occur.

It's inevitable though, it's natural - humans won't stop developing technology and when several technologies combine, things will take an uncomfortable leap forwards.
I don't doubt there will be forward leaps, I just don't think that advances in technology are always for the best.
I agree, sometimes they're not for the best. Although generally problems caused by technology are addressed by later technology.

I'm not celebrating the changes that are about to occur, I'm just trying to be realistic about them and plan around them.

The world's going a bit sci-fi, but it is happening and won't be stopped.
The amazing part is the convergence of diff technologies, accelerating the rate of innovation.

Ultimately the question is if people are willing to pay for the goods and services.

I personally would rather have Optimus in my house, rather than a stranger going through my stuff.
Also, these robots will reduce labour cost, so products will be more affordable for developing countries.

200 years ago, 80% of people were farming and 20% fighting. Technology didn’t put farmers out of the jobs. They found better jobs, that didn’t exist before. 30 years ago, I could have coffee with milk and/or sugar. Today, baristas make coffees that I don’t even know how to pronounce, but happy to consume biggrin

NDNDNDND

2,201 posts

190 months

Sunday 13th October
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What's amazing is how gullible people continue to be.

Musk is an utter charlatan.

You do realise those Optimus bots at the Tesla launch weren't robots and we're being remotely controlled, just as they have been at every other demonstration?

It's interesting to see the stock actually fall after the transparent bullst for once. It's almost like people have started to realise he's just lying.

SpaceX is pretty awesome, though - credit to Gwynne Shotwell.

Kinda interesting that the Cybercab launch was rescheduled to the same weekend as the SpaceX chopsticks test... I wonder if Musk thought a successful SpaceX test would bolster Tesla stock when they realised they had basically nothing to show?