Tesla Robo Taxis
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I think robot taxis are going to be huge, offering a real world alternative to the intractable problems of scheduled transport on one hand and paid human drivers on the other.
I suspect there won't be too many coupes though, pretty though that is...
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I suspect there won't be too many coupes though, pretty though that is...
Edit - spellung
Edited by grumbledoak on Friday 11th October 09:54
Megaflow said:
This. Name one country that is going to allow a car on the road without any form of driver controls, nowt, nothing, nicht.
The direction of travel is very very clear. I imagine fully autonomous vehicles will be on the roads within 5 years and next will be a push to ban human drivers for safety reasons.FlabbyMidgets said:
Megaflow said:
This. Name one country that is going to allow a car on the road without any form of driver controls, nowt, nothing, nicht.
Most, if not all, major car markets will legally allow them probably by 2028Why? Who is going to be at fault when a driverless car crashes? You can be sure the manufacturers will have lobbied to make sure it isn't going to be them or their employees, will it be the manufacturer of the camera used, chip manufacturer, software company, etc, etc?
No, it is easy, the closest we will get to fully autonomous cars is level 4 where there is still driver controls and 'the driver' will be responsible for the vehicle. IMO.
People hoping for a car that drives itself so it can take them home from the pub after a few shandy's, I am firmly in that group, are going to be disappointed.
A year or two back I noticed that my car insurance changed, with a section on self-driving. I don't recall it word for word, but I think the gist of it was that you were insured if you were using it.
I agree with some of the thinking that the blame game needs to be sorted, but I'm also pretty sure the manufacturers will shoulder this.
I'm defo in the camp of people that would like something like this to save me some of the commute tedium, but also the logistics of returning from the pub etc.
In the US this sort of self-drive stuff is a lot more lax than the UNECE stuff we stick to, so I'm not surprised it's being announced there. some of it may eventually apply over here.
Equally I've seen the snails pace that governments work at, there's some auto driving busses being used round here (very small route, and supervised), and other government stuff I've read about, with regard to slow speed, motorways etc. So I think the cogs are starting to turn, we may get there.
I'm not for one second saying this is the concrete future, but if it's not too expensive (ie. it's not for millionaires only), I'd defo be interested... but it may never come to fruition.
I agree with some of the thinking that the blame game needs to be sorted, but I'm also pretty sure the manufacturers will shoulder this.
I'm defo in the camp of people that would like something like this to save me some of the commute tedium, but also the logistics of returning from the pub etc.
In the US this sort of self-drive stuff is a lot more lax than the UNECE stuff we stick to, so I'm not surprised it's being announced there. some of it may eventually apply over here.
Equally I've seen the snails pace that governments work at, there's some auto driving busses being used round here (very small route, and supervised), and other government stuff I've read about, with regard to slow speed, motorways etc. So I think the cogs are starting to turn, we may get there.
I'm not for one second saying this is the concrete future, but if it's not too expensive (ie. it's not for millionaires only), I'd defo be interested... but it may never come to fruition.
Megaflow said:
I can imagine most countries will allow driverless cars, I don't believe they will allow level 5 autonomous cars with zero driver controls.
Why? Who is going to be at fault when a driverless car crashes? You can be sure the manufacturers will have lobbied to make sure it isn't going to be them or their employees, will it be the manufacturer of the camera used, chip manufacturer, software company, etc, etc?
No, it is easy, the closest we will get to fully autonomous cars is level 4 where there is still driver controls and 'the driver' will be responsible for the vehicle. IMO.
People hoping for a car that drives itself so it can take them home from the pub after a few shandy's, I am firmly in that group, are going to be disappointed.
Erm they have them in the US already dont they - as in no driver?Why? Who is going to be at fault when a driverless car crashes? You can be sure the manufacturers will have lobbied to make sure it isn't going to be them or their employees, will it be the manufacturer of the camera used, chip manufacturer, software company, etc, etc?
No, it is easy, the closest we will get to fully autonomous cars is level 4 where there is still driver controls and 'the driver' will be responsible for the vehicle. IMO.
People hoping for a car that drives itself so it can take them home from the pub after a few shandy's, I am firmly in that group, are going to be disappointed.
I wonder if manual controls could be added by simply mounting something like a gaming wheel on (whichever side of) the dash? No need for pedals and all the structure/adjustment associated with them - could be all hand controls. Steer by wire should make this absolutely straightforward.
halo34 said:
Megaflow said:
I can imagine most countries will allow driverless cars, I don't believe they will allow level 5 autonomous cars with zero driver controls.
Why? Who is going to be at fault when a driverless car crashes? You can be sure the manufacturers will have lobbied to make sure it isn't going to be them or their employees, will it be the manufacturer of the camera used, chip manufacturer, software company, etc, etc?
No, it is easy, the closest we will get to fully autonomous cars is level 4 where there is still driver controls and 'the driver' will be responsible for the vehicle. IMO.
People hoping for a car that drives itself so it can take them home from the pub after a few shandy's, I am firmly in that group, are going to be disappointed.
Erm they have them in the US already dont they - as in no driver?Why? Who is going to be at fault when a driverless car crashes? You can be sure the manufacturers will have lobbied to make sure it isn't going to be them or their employees, will it be the manufacturer of the camera used, chip manufacturer, software company, etc, etc?
No, it is easy, the closest we will get to fully autonomous cars is level 4 where there is still driver controls and 'the driver' will be responsible for the vehicle. IMO.
People hoping for a car that drives itself so it can take them home from the pub after a few shandy's, I am firmly in that group, are going to be disappointed.
halo34 said:
Erm they have them in the US already dont they - as in no driver?
Do they? Pretty sure there are controls that you should be close to. This thing has nothing. No way to take control. It drives towards a cliff and you are going over it to your death and Musks lawyers will have you signing away any right to compo. Megaflow said:
I can imagine most countries will allow driverless cars, I don't believe they will allow level 5 autonomous cars with zero driver controls.
Why? Who is going to be at fault when a driverless car crashes? You can be sure the manufacturers will have lobbied to make sure it isn't going to be them or their employees, will it be the manufacturer of the camera used, chip manufacturer, software company, etc, etc?
No, it is easy, the closest we will get to fully autonomous cars is level 4 where there is still driver controls and 'the driver' will be responsible for the vehicle. IMO.
People hoping for a car that drives itself so it can take them home from the pub after a few shandy's, I am firmly in that group, are going to be disappointed.
I don't believe level 5 will ever be a thing (meaning a vehicle without any restrictions on where it can go), however vehicles without manual controls will almost certainly be allowed in nearly all of the main market countries. Why? Who is going to be at fault when a driverless car crashes? You can be sure the manufacturers will have lobbied to make sure it isn't going to be them or their employees, will it be the manufacturer of the camera used, chip manufacturer, software company, etc, etc?
No, it is easy, the closest we will get to fully autonomous cars is level 4 where there is still driver controls and 'the driver' will be responsible for the vehicle. IMO.
People hoping for a car that drives itself so it can take them home from the pub after a few shandy's, I am firmly in that group, are going to be disappointed.
This year the UK passed the Automated Vehicles Act which does mean the company in charge of the vehicle will be responsible (that could either be the OEM or an operator). That being said they want to have a 'no blame' culture with the goal of improving safety.
In a level 3 vehicle, one where the vehicle will do some of the driving such as a motorway pilot, at least in the UK the driver will not be responsible for the driving when it is engaged. The driver would still be responsible for other things such as insurance or maintenance.
I'm more hopeful, the technology is developing quickly and the regulations are taking shape to allow them
I am confused by this robo taxi concept for one main reason, who is the market?
Its a taxi, driverless, to get you from A-B
So why are they saying they cost £30,000 and marketing it at the general public?
Surely they wont be sold to the public? They will be run by tesla on a hail basis or sold in huge numbers to the likes of Uber?
Or am I supposed to spend £30,000 for a car of my own that will then bugger off and serve others? Guess I will get a profit share if so?
Its a taxi, driverless, to get you from A-B
So why are they saying they cost £30,000 and marketing it at the general public?
Surely they wont be sold to the public? They will be run by tesla on a hail basis or sold in huge numbers to the likes of Uber?
Or am I supposed to spend £30,000 for a car of my own that will then bugger off and serve others? Guess I will get a profit share if so?
Megaflow said:
JonnyVTEC said:
More Vapourware
This. Name one country that is going to allow a car on the road without any form of driver controls, nowt, nothing, nicht.Pretty lame last night,
He was meant to be announcing a car going into production after the Reuters melt down and instead he shows a chopped down Model Y with a cybertruck influenced front and rear, a promise it will be cheap (like we've not heard that before) and a promised producton thats maybe 2 years away (we've heard that one too).
The nearest he got to an FSD road map was expecting to be doing unsupervised driving in 2 US states next year, but with little detail of what that means, and whether it would follow the Waymo route. He again reiterated the 10 times safer than humans but with little basis or benchmark, put passive systems to limit cars to the speed limit, and some form of driver observation to detect whether a driver appears under the influence of drink or drugs and similar over mobile phone use and being alert and you'd probaboly achieve the same safety improvement.
Oh and his new best mate Trump, earlier in the day announced that Self Driving cars weren't going to happen if he was the next President.
He was meant to be announcing a car going into production after the Reuters melt down and instead he shows a chopped down Model Y with a cybertruck influenced front and rear, a promise it will be cheap (like we've not heard that before) and a promised producton thats maybe 2 years away (we've heard that one too).
The nearest he got to an FSD road map was expecting to be doing unsupervised driving in 2 US states next year, but with little detail of what that means, and whether it would follow the Waymo route. He again reiterated the 10 times safer than humans but with little basis or benchmark, put passive systems to limit cars to the speed limit, and some form of driver observation to detect whether a driver appears under the influence of drink or drugs and similar over mobile phone use and being alert and you'd probaboly achieve the same safety improvement.
Oh and his new best mate Trump, earlier in the day announced that Self Driving cars weren't going to happen if he was the next President.
sidekickdmr said:
I am confused by this robo taxi concept for one main reason, who is the market?
Its a taxi, driverless, to get you from A-B
So why are they saying they cost £30,000 and marketing it at the general public?
Surely they wont be sold to the public? They will be run by tesla on a hail basis or sold in huge numbers to the likes of Uber?
Or am I supposed to spend £30,000 for a car of my own that will then bugger off and serve others? Guess I will get a profit share if so?
Tesla have never been coherent. The visions of green open parks instead of car parks and yet we'll be buying self driving cars. There's an equally valid argument that parking requirements will significantly increase, I roll out of bed in a morning, climb in my car, and whilst it drives me to work I eat my breakfast and get dressed and maybe do a few emails. The car then has to park itself, the alternative is I catch the tube to work and mix with smelly other people in a crowded and dirty environmentIts a taxi, driverless, to get you from A-B
So why are they saying they cost £30,000 and marketing it at the general public?
Surely they wont be sold to the public? They will be run by tesla on a hail basis or sold in huge numbers to the likes of Uber?
Or am I supposed to spend £30,000 for a car of my own that will then bugger off and serve others? Guess I will get a profit share if so?
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