Toyota comeback

Toyota comeback

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Killer2005

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19,946 posts

236 months

Thursday 10th October
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Did anyone expect this one? Rumours there could be an announcement as early as tomorrow

https://www.motor.es/formula-1/toyota-vuelta-f1-ha...

spikyone

1,613 posts

108 months

Friday 11th October
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Killer2005 said:
Did anyone expect this one? Rumours there could be an announcement as early as tomorrow

https://www.motor.es/formula-1/toyota-vuelta-f1-ha...
Not a comeback, simply a technical partnership and a way to increase the number of Japanese drivers getting to F1, whilst developing TGR's engineers. Reading the release on social media, Toyoda-san has specifically asked that it isn't reported as a Toyota F1 return. Here's the announcement:

https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/corporate/416456...

StevieBee

13,626 posts

263 months

Friday 11th October
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spikyone said:
Toyota F1
Never has so much been spent for so little.

SoulGlo

138 posts

39 months

Friday 11th October
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Would like them to make an engine again.

The more engines suppliers the better for the sport imo.

Megaflow

9,950 posts

233 months

Friday 11th October
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This makes my head hurt... technical partnership... on top of Haas' existing technical partnership with Ferrari...

scratchchin

Ferrari can not be happy about this, surely?

Unless this is the start of Haas' exit plan.

FourWheelDrift

89,674 posts

292 months

Friday 11th October
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Megaflow said:
This makes my head hurt... technical partnership... on top of Haas' existing technical partnership with Ferrari...

scratchchin

Ferrari can not be happy about this, surely?.
Ferrari sell more Ferrari's in Japan? They have to shift those ugly Purosangue's somehow.

ucb

1,043 posts

220 months

Friday 11th October
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Didn't see that coming although Toyotas model direction has included far more sporting models of recent times than when they were an F1 team

hondajack85

301 posts

7 months

Friday 11th October
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Toyota must have seen Honda being big in F1 and wanting to show their face as well.
Talk about rivalry.
Aston Martin coasted along on the back of RedBull and whatever engine partner they had for years. Same as Ford will do soon.
Whats interesting is such a small outfit attracting such a big name.
And to think there was a vocal and persistant effort here and in the press to say they were doomed,doomed I say, doomed.

thegreenhell

17,349 posts

227 months

Friday 11th October
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Killer2005 said:
Did anyone expect this one?
The rumours first surfaced and were discussed here around the time of the British GP back in July.

It's an odd setup - Haas with bases in USA and UK, design office at Ferrari and manufacturing at Dallara in Italy, now partnering with Toyota in Germany and Japan supposedly without breaking any of the existing links. Something is going to give, and reading between the lines it looks like Dallara is the current weak link, and they are looking expedite the manufacturing and upgrade process beyond what Dallara can deliver.

asfault

12,793 posts

187 months

Friday 11th October
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I heard that Toyota were only interested in designing the brake discs...

TwentyFive

353 posts

74 months

Friday 11th October
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hondajack85 said:
Whats interesting is such a small outfit attracting such a big name.
I wonder if Haas now having a Japanese team principal in Ayao Komatsu may have been a factor?

thegreenhell

17,349 posts

227 months

Friday 11th October
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TwentyFive said:
hondajack85 said:
Whats interesting is such a small outfit attracting such a big name.
I wonder if Haas now having a Japanese team principal in Ayao Komatsu may have been a factor?
Or they just really wanted to come back to F1 and Haas were the only available partner, with everyone else either being owned by a rival manufacturer or closely associated with a rival manufacturer.

patmahe

5,857 posts

212 months

Monday 14th October
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It's dipping a toe, partnering with Haas effectively gives them a seat at the table without making the full on commitment of an engine or full on works team.

It's good for Haas and good for Toyota, will be interesting to see how the partnership develops, engine first and then works team in a few years with Haas as a junior partner team/initial test bed for the engines?

TikTak

1,847 posts

27 months

Monday 14th October
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I mean they're trying to turn the screw and develop further so that makes sense, although time will tell how much benefit they get from it.

Expecting another VCARB name in the works though ... Toyota Gazoo Racing Dallara Haas Ferrari

Supersam83

824 posts

153 months

Thursday 7th November
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So how much of this sudden upturn in form is because of the talented Toyota engineers that have been working with Haas since 11th October 2024?

26 points were scored in the first 18 races compared to 13 points scored in the last 3 (since Toyota joined).


DanielSan

19,176 posts

175 months

Thursday 7th November
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Supersam83 said:
So how much of this sudden upturn in form is because of the talented Toyota engineers that have been working with Haas since 11th October 2024?

26 points were scored in the first 18 races compared to 13 points scored in the last 3 (since Toyota joined).
Less than 0%.

Muzzer79

11,097 posts

195 months

Thursday 7th November
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DanielSan said:
Supersam83 said:
So how much of this sudden upturn in form is because of the talented Toyota engineers that have been working with Haas since 11th October 2024?

26 points were scored in the first 18 races compared to 13 points scored in the last 3 (since Toyota joined).
Less than 0%.
This

I'd be surprised if a Toyota engineer had contributed anything other than joining a factory tour in the last 4 weeks.