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Hi, just wondered if anyone had any information/experience on the 2.0 Turbo Jag F Type? Im considering a 2017 or 18 model year as a ‘weekend toy’ retirement present to myself. Issues about engine/exhaust sounds of the V6 and V8 models etc aside, can anyone offer any owner experience insights? Im particularly interested in the reliability of the F Type Ingenium petrol engine (Im well aware of the problems with the diesel versions of this engine).
Any help or info appreciated.
Thank you
Any help or info appreciated.
Thank you
Have had my 2 litre F-Type roadster for over six years now, mostly only weekend use and is a very nice drive no issues at all and only required annual service in that time.There was a recall on MY 2017/2018 for the fuel rail although not sure how you would known this has been carried out as it does not appear on the online service records. I keep mine on a CTEK MSX5 when not in use as with a lot of modern cars the battery does not like to go flat. There is more information on the dedicated F-Type forum https://www.ftypeforums.co.uk/
EshAsh said:
Hi, just wondered if anyone had any information/experience on the 2.0 Turbo Jag F Type? Im considering a 2017 or 18 model year as a ‘weekend toy’ retirement present to myself. Issues about engine/exhaust sounds of the V6 and V8 models etc aside, can anyone offer any owner experience insights? Im particularly interested in the reliability of the F Type Ingenium petrol engine (Im well aware of the problems with the diesel versions of this engine).
Any help or info appreciated.
Thank you
Ash can I humbly ask that you take a test drive in the V8 models because for the life of me I can never understand this rubbish about engine and exhaust sounds ?? The 5.0 V8 and I have had two , is a wonderful engine and why anyone in a financial position to purchase one would go for a 2.0 instead leaves me questioning their intelligence . I don't make these comments from some "hairy chested" ignorant viewpoint nor do I purchase "weekend toys" , I much prefer to drive my Cars as often as possible . At 61 I have no interest in future residuals . Ingenium engines are junk , in my view I wouldn't buy a Jaguar that wasn't a V8 powered by the AJ V8Any help or info appreciated.
Thank you
Hi, thanks for your reply; much appreciated. I take all your points on board. What I’d say is you possibly misunderstood my comment about the exhaust issues. We’re on the same page in the sense that I too couldnt give a damn about exhaust note etc. My point was that those exhaust tones are exactly what a lot of ppl comment on when comparing the various F Type engines, so I was saying that those issues aside, what are other pertinent issues to consider.
Also I was inviting comments, as from the first responder, from those who have had the 2.0 and can therefore speak from experience, rather than from those who havent owned one, if that makes sense.
I like the look of them, and am looking for the cheapest and least problematic way of owning the newest one I can afford. Additionally I cant afford the tax on the V8’s, so it has never been in my consideration, regardless of how great they are etc. You own and like them and thats great, but its not for me.
I get that you regard the Ingenium engines as junk; my point is I want to hear that (or the opposite) from ppl who have owned them or still own one; hope that makes sense. Theres plenty of info online, and YT etc etc (and on the forums) about how problematic the V8 and V6 engines (+Supercharger etc) are, and testimony from those who’d never buy another, etc. But theres a lot less info about the 2.0, hence my request for info here from owners/past owners. I ddnt want this to set up as a contest between one and the other; each to his own, I just wanted info via ppls experience. Hope that also makes sense. You may well be right that the FType Ingenium engine is junk; if they are I wont be buying one, but at the moment Im just info seeking.
Thanks for your time and your reply.
Also I was inviting comments, as from the first responder, from those who have had the 2.0 and can therefore speak from experience, rather than from those who havent owned one, if that makes sense.
I like the look of them, and am looking for the cheapest and least problematic way of owning the newest one I can afford. Additionally I cant afford the tax on the V8’s, so it has never been in my consideration, regardless of how great they are etc. You own and like them and thats great, but its not for me.
I get that you regard the Ingenium engines as junk; my point is I want to hear that (or the opposite) from ppl who have owned them or still own one; hope that makes sense. Theres plenty of info online, and YT etc etc (and on the forums) about how problematic the V8 and V6 engines (+Supercharger etc) are, and testimony from those who’d never buy another, etc. But theres a lot less info about the 2.0, hence my request for info here from owners/past owners. I ddnt want this to set up as a contest between one and the other; each to his own, I just wanted info via ppls experience. Hope that also makes sense. You may well be right that the FType Ingenium engine is junk; if they are I wont be buying one, but at the moment Im just info seeking.
Thanks for your time and your reply.
NCE 61 said:
Have had my 2 litre F-Type roadster for over six years now, mostly only weekend use and is a very nice drive no issues at all and only required annual service in that time.There was a recall on MY 2017/2018 for the fuel rail although not sure how you would known this has been carried out as it does not appear on the online service records. I keep mine on a CTEK MSX5 when not in use as with a lot of modern cars the battery does not like to go flat. There is more information on the dedicated F-Type forum https://www.ftypeforums.co.uk/
Thank you, much appreciated. Thats exactly what I was looking for; info from an owner, your info is very useful to know; thanks for your time in putting it together.EshAsh said:
Hi, thanks for your reply; much appreciated. I take all your points on board. What I’d say is you possibly misunderstood my comment about the exhaust issues. We’re on the same page in the sense that I too couldnt give a damn about exhaust note etc. My point was that those exhaust tones are exactly what a lot of ppl comment on when comparing the various F Type engines, so I was saying that those issues aside, what are other pertinent issues to consider.
Also I was inviting comments, as from the first responder, from those who have had the 2.0 and can therefore speak from experience, rather than from those who havent owned one, if that makes sense.
I like the look of them, and am looking for the cheapest and least problematic way of owning the newest one I can afford. Additionally I cant afford the tax on the V8’s, so it has never been in my consideration, regardless of how great they are etc. You own and like them and thats great, but its not for me.
I get that you regard the Ingenium engines as junk; my point is I want to hear that (or the opposite) from ppl who have owned them or still own one; hope that makes sense. Theres plenty of info online, and YT etc etc (and on the forums) about how problematic the V8 and V6 engines (+Supercharger etc) are, and testimony from those who’d never buy another, etc. But theres a lot less info about the 2.0, hence my request for info here from owners/past owners. I ddnt want this to set up as a contest between one and the other; each to his own, I just wanted info via ppls experience. Hope that also makes sense. You may well be right that the FType Ingenium engine is junk; if they are I wont be buying one, but at the moment Im just info seeking.
Thanks for your time and your reply.
If you are inviting comments from Owners of the 2.0 F Type then freely admit purchasing a V8 F type has never been a consideration then why complicate matters by even mentioning it ? Not unreasonably to anyone reading your initial Post I took it as being an "either or "question you were asking and advised accordingly . Its not just I who regard the Ingenium engine as junk as countless court actions against JLR will clarify .Also I was inviting comments, as from the first responder, from those who have had the 2.0 and can therefore speak from experience, rather than from those who havent owned one, if that makes sense.
I like the look of them, and am looking for the cheapest and least problematic way of owning the newest one I can afford. Additionally I cant afford the tax on the V8’s, so it has never been in my consideration, regardless of how great they are etc. You own and like them and thats great, but its not for me.
I get that you regard the Ingenium engines as junk; my point is I want to hear that (or the opposite) from ppl who have owned them or still own one; hope that makes sense. Theres plenty of info online, and YT etc etc (and on the forums) about how problematic the V8 and V6 engines (+Supercharger etc) are, and testimony from those who’d never buy another, etc. But theres a lot less info about the 2.0, hence my request for info here from owners/past owners. I ddnt want this to set up as a contest between one and the other; each to his own, I just wanted info via ppls experience. Hope that also makes sense. You may well be right that the FType Ingenium engine is junk; if they are I wont be buying one, but at the moment Im just info seeking.
Thanks for your time and your reply.
I don't believe the V8 engine is a problematic engine but as its the experience of 2.0 Ingenium Owners you seek that's completely irrelevant .
Hi again, to repeat myself in clarification, I mentioned it to pre-empt replies revolving around just differences in exhaust note and tone, which seems to be the preoccupation of a lot of comparisons between the V8, V6 and 2.00 Turbo models. Thats all it was. Tbh having re-read my original post I dont think theres much ambiguity about what I was looking for in terms of info, and I think the word ‘aside’ which followed the exhaust statement pointed to it being something I ddnt need a comment on. I apologise if something in that misled you; it wasnt intentional. You love your V8, and Im not gonna be buying one, so I think you’ll agree our i interests dont reconcile, so we can leave it at that and pursue our respective car interests.
Thank you, and enjoy your V8.
Thank you, and enjoy your V8.
Have driven various 2.0s, V6s and the V8. IMHO it is worth trying each, whilst I found the gearbox worked well with the V cars I found the 2.0 auto a very different experience. The more recent ones are far more muted in sound which I prefer, I.e no pops and bangs of the earlier pre gpf cars. Tax is surely only a concern if buying new? There’s not a lot of mpg saving on the 2.0 and the difference in list price makes the 2.0 not really that much cheaper. V6 may be the way to go? Harry’s garage review of the P450 is also worth a look. In short I’ve nothing against a 2.0 as I think they work well in the 718 platform but the Jag driving experience with the 2.0 litre just didn’t quite gel in my view. It’s a car that needs a big engine for effortless cruising.
For reliability and residual I’d probably favour a 2.0 Porsche, however I did like the more comfortable GT Jag experience. Of course traditional PH dinosaurs will state they only accept many cylindered RWD NA manuals, despite probably not ever being in the market for such cars in reality.
Good luck with the search. Others’ views might vary…
For reliability and residual I’d probably favour a 2.0 Porsche, however I did like the more comfortable GT Jag experience. Of course traditional PH dinosaurs will state they only accept many cylindered RWD NA manuals, despite probably not ever being in the market for such cars in reality.
Good luck with the search. Others’ views might vary…
Edited by marcus34789 on Saturday 12th October 14:09
I had a 2.0 courtesy F-Type for a few days. Hateful thing to be honest. The 8sp box doesn’t suit the engine as it’s forever changing ratios compared to my V8. Add to that the awful awful engine racket if you try and use the upper rev-band, along with the pathetic fuel economy, and it s big big no from me.
The body wasn’t designed to have a crappy 4-pot up front.
The body wasn’t designed to have a crappy 4-pot up front.
Cannot comment on the 2.0 as a driving experience, sorry.
However, I have owned my 2015 v6 for 5 years and gone from 16k to 34k miles have not had a single issue. I also maintain and service it myself, as I am a bit OCD about my cars. Easy to service too.
Road tax is close to £400 now. If you would like a drive in mine, ping me. We are close to Kendal.
Absolutely love it.
However, I have owned my 2015 v6 for 5 years and gone from 16k to 34k miles have not had a single issue. I also maintain and service it myself, as I am a bit OCD about my cars. Easy to service too.
Road tax is close to £400 now. If you would like a drive in mine, ping me. We are close to Kendal.
Absolutely love it.
EshAsh said:
Hi again, to repeat myself in clarification, I mentioned it to pre-empt replies revolving around just differences in exhaust note and tone, which seems to be the preoccupation of a lot of comparisons between the V8, V6 and 2.00 Turbo models. Thats all it was. Tbh having re-read my original post I dont think theres much ambiguity about what I was looking for in terms of info, and I think the word ‘aside’ which followed the exhaust statement pointed to it being something I ddnt need a comment on. I apologise if something in that misled you; it wasnt intentional. You love your V8, and Im not gonna be buying one, so I think you’ll agree our i interests dont reconcile, so we can leave it at that and pursue our respective car interests.
Thank you, and enjoy your V8.
I don't have a V8 , I have a 4.0 Flat Six but good luck with your quest .Thank you, and enjoy your V8.
I drove a 2.0 - the weak point for me was the indecisive gearbox, it just doesn't work well with the car. The larger engines mate well with the autos but the 2.0 for some reason the ratios don't work or it just can't decide which gear. Now I may be a little harsh being used to Porsche's PDK but it just struck me as a major compromise of the 2.0, I also hated the auto in the TT for this reason. The V6/V8 autos just seem to work so much better.
I rumbled into a pub car park in my XKR the other day and saw some old boy getting into a nearly new F-Type, it looked lovely.
Then he drove off and it made the farting flatulent drone of a child's "my first sports car" VW Polo GTi. Oh dear
Get one a year older with at least the V6. The Ingenium isn't even a good example of a heavily boosted four pot, it's riddled with reliability issues, and the fuel economy will be barely any better. Also that cars looks are writing cheques that 300bhp really can't cash in 2024, it wasn't really enough in the XK 4.2 almost twenty years ago.
Sorry if I'm pissing on anyone's beloved 2.0 F Type but they are cheap and unloved by the market for a really good reason.
Then he drove off and it made the farting flatulent drone of a child's "my first sports car" VW Polo GTi. Oh dear
Get one a year older with at least the V6. The Ingenium isn't even a good example of a heavily boosted four pot, it's riddled with reliability issues, and the fuel economy will be barely any better. Also that cars looks are writing cheques that 300bhp really can't cash in 2024, it wasn't really enough in the XK 4.2 almost twenty years ago.
Sorry if I'm pissing on anyone's beloved 2.0 F Type but they are cheap and unloved by the market for a really good reason.
GeniusOfLove said:
I rumbled into a pub car park in my XKR the other day and saw some old boy getting into a nearly new F-Type, it looked lovely.
Then he drove off and it made the farting flatulent drone of a child's "my first sports car" VW Polo GTi. Oh dear
Get one a year older with at least the V6. The Ingenium isn't even a good example of a heavily boosted four pot, it's riddled with reliability issues, and the fuel economy will be barely any better. Also that cars looks are writing cheques that 300bhp really can't cash in 2024, it wasn't really enough in the XK 4.2 almost twenty years ago.
Sorry if I'm pissing on anyone's beloved 2.0 F Type but they are cheap and unloved by the market for a really good reason.
Thank Goodness you contribute to this Forum , I tried to tell them earlier but gave up thinking I have few friends as it is without alienating People further .Then he drove off and it made the farting flatulent drone of a child's "my first sports car" VW Polo GTi. Oh dear
Get one a year older with at least the V6. The Ingenium isn't even a good example of a heavily boosted four pot, it's riddled with reliability issues, and the fuel economy will be barely any better. Also that cars looks are writing cheques that 300bhp really can't cash in 2024, it wasn't really enough in the XK 4.2 almost twenty years ago.
Sorry if I'm pissing on anyone's beloved 2.0 F Type but they are cheap and unloved by the market for a really good reason.
GeniusOfLove said:
I rumbled into a pub car park in my XKR the other day and saw some old boy getting into a nearly new F-Type, it looked lovely.
Then he drove off and it made the farting flatulent drone of a child's "my first sports car" VW Polo GTi. Oh dear
Get one a year older with at least the V6. The Ingenium isn't even a good example of a heavily boosted four pot, it's riddled with reliability issues, and the fuel economy will be barely any better. Also that cars looks are writing cheques that 300bhp really can't cash in 2024, it wasn't really enough in the XK 4.2 almost twenty years ago.
Sorry if I'm pissing on anyone's beloved 2.0 F Type but they are cheap and unloved by the market for a really good reason.
Thing is, if he is happy, then doesn't really matter.Then he drove off and it made the farting flatulent drone of a child's "my first sports car" VW Polo GTi. Oh dear
Get one a year older with at least the V6. The Ingenium isn't even a good example of a heavily boosted four pot, it's riddled with reliability issues, and the fuel economy will be barely any better. Also that cars looks are writing cheques that 300bhp really can't cash in 2024, it wasn't really enough in the XK 4.2 almost twenty years ago.
Sorry if I'm pissing on anyone's beloved 2.0 F Type but they are cheap and unloved by the market for a really good reason.
There are plenty of owners of various cars where the like the look and are quite happy with the "Korma" Engine, where you prefer the Vindaloo option.
Many folk will just see a posh sports car and to be fair, with 300 bhp it will be plenty fast enough for what that owner wants, some dont want the aural assault and expense that comes from the V8 models.
You and I dont want a 2.0 F Type, but there are a fair few for sale, someone bought them new I guess, so someone will buy them secondhand.
J4CKO said:
GeniusOfLove said:
I rumbled into a pub car park in my XKR the other day and saw some old boy getting into a nearly new F-Type, it looked lovely.
Then he drove off and it made the farting flatulent drone of a child's "my first sports car" VW Polo GTi. Oh dear
Get one a year older with at least the V6. The Ingenium isn't even a good example of a heavily boosted four pot, it's riddled with reliability issues, and the fuel economy will be barely any better. Also that cars looks are writing cheques that 300bhp really can't cash in 2024, it wasn't really enough in the XK 4.2 almost twenty years ago.
Sorry if I'm pissing on anyone's beloved 2.0 F Type but they are cheap and unloved by the market for a really good reason.
Thing is, if he is happy, then doesn't really matter.Then he drove off and it made the farting flatulent drone of a child's "my first sports car" VW Polo GTi. Oh dear
Get one a year older with at least the V6. The Ingenium isn't even a good example of a heavily boosted four pot, it's riddled with reliability issues, and the fuel economy will be barely any better. Also that cars looks are writing cheques that 300bhp really can't cash in 2024, it wasn't really enough in the XK 4.2 almost twenty years ago.
Sorry if I'm pissing on anyone's beloved 2.0 F Type but they are cheap and unloved by the market for a really good reason.
There are plenty of owners of various cars where the like the look and are quite happy with the "Korma" Engine, where you prefer the Vindaloo option.
Many folk will just see a posh sports car and to be fair, with 300 bhp it will be plenty fast enough for what that owner wants, some dont want the aural assault and expense that comes from the V8 models.
You and I dont want a 2.0 F Type, but there are a fair few for sale, someone bought them new I guess, so someone will buy them secondhand.
https://buy.jaguar.co.uk/approved-used/vehicle/bla...
when you can buy this:
https://buy.jaguar.co.uk/approved-used/vehicle/bla...
for almost exactly the same price.
That's what I don't get.
peterfield781 said:
J4CKO said:
GeniusOfLove said:
I rumbled into a pub car park in my XKR the other day and saw some old boy getting into a nearly new F-Type, it looked lovely.
Then he drove off and it made the farting flatulent drone of a child's "my first sports car" VW Polo GTi. Oh dear
Get one a year older with at least the V6. The Ingenium isn't even a good example of a heavily boosted four pot, it's riddled with reliability issues, and the fuel economy will be barely any better. Also that cars looks are writing cheques that 300bhp really can't cash in 2024, it wasn't really enough in the XK 4.2 almost twenty years ago.
Sorry if I'm pissing on anyone's beloved 2.0 F Type but they are cheap and unloved by the market for a really good reason.
Thing is, if he is happy, then doesn't really matter.Then he drove off and it made the farting flatulent drone of a child's "my first sports car" VW Polo GTi. Oh dear
Get one a year older with at least the V6. The Ingenium isn't even a good example of a heavily boosted four pot, it's riddled with reliability issues, and the fuel economy will be barely any better. Also that cars looks are writing cheques that 300bhp really can't cash in 2024, it wasn't really enough in the XK 4.2 almost twenty years ago.
Sorry if I'm pissing on anyone's beloved 2.0 F Type but they are cheap and unloved by the market for a really good reason.
There are plenty of owners of various cars where the like the look and are quite happy with the "Korma" Engine, where you prefer the Vindaloo option.
Many folk will just see a posh sports car and to be fair, with 300 bhp it will be plenty fast enough for what that owner wants, some dont want the aural assault and expense that comes from the V8 models.
You and I dont want a 2.0 F Type, but there are a fair few for sale, someone bought them new I guess, so someone will buy them secondhand.
https://buy.jaguar.co.uk/approved-used/vehicle/bla...
when you can buy this:
https://buy.jaguar.co.uk/approved-used/vehicle/bla...
for almost exactly the same price.
That's what I don't get.
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