RE: 2024 Nissan Z Nismo | PH Review

RE: 2024 Nissan Z Nismo | PH Review

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2024 Nissan Z Nismo | PH Review

Proper engine in the front, drive at the rear. Why aren't we getting this in Europe again?


Forbidden fruit. Always a strange topic to cover, the writer at once delighted at the chance to try something exotic but already trying to rationalise why it’s not sold here. But it would have been remiss of us not to sample the latest Z car while already in Japan to drive the Nismo product we do get, the fully electric Ariya

On the legendary Hakone Turnpike, no less. The recipe is fairly simple to grasp: take the RZ34-gen Nissan Fairlady Z (or merely Nissan Z outside of Japan) then add a bit more power and panache plus liberal red detailing. But there’s another additional ingredient here, one that’s rather crucial to the vibe of the coupe it sits in: the 3-litre twin-turbo V6 hooks up solely to a nine-speed automatic gearbox rather than a six-speed stick. So is this Z on a nostalgia trip, or trying to be something altogether fresher?

Well, for one thing, its model code is spookily similar to the old 370Z’s to betray some shared architecture beneath. First impressions aren’t of something dazzlingly new, for both good and bad. The styling is fairly sensational up close, a successful mix of the key Z generations from its classic 240Z proportions to those delightfully 300ZX-alike rear lights. It manages to look familiar and new all at once, pulling off a similar stylistic trick to the Alpine A110.

If you’re shopping in this (rather than the SUV) aisle you probably place reasonable value on the silhouettes that got you hooked on cars in the first place. The Z’s designers have duly taken note. Perhaps the gauche red Nismo skirts rob it of a little purity, but those gorgeous lightweight RAYS alloys and the neat uptick of the rear pillar – punctuated by the classic Z badge – promptly earn my forgiveness.

Stepping inside reveals a more mixed environment. It has an advancement of the Recaro seats so beloved in the old Clio 200, which set an immediate enthusiast vibe, as do the Alcantara strips in the correct spots of the three-spoke wheel and a row of physical climate control dials. But it’s a strange blend in here, a configurable digital dial layout sat alongside a row of joyously pointless analogue readouts for turbo speed, boost and battery voltage. The gear selector is a stubby mouse-like block, similar to the Ariya’s, while the handbrake is an old-school lever; more than once, the modern design of the former foxes my brain into thinking an e-brake will whirr off as soon as I feed in the throttle.

Mind, there’s enough torque to pull away with the handbrake on and not immediately notice. Those twin turbos see its performance take a huge leap over the Z34 370Z Nismo, peaks of 420hp and 384lb ft comparing favourably to 344hp and 274lb ft to hit 62mph nearly a second quicker, albeit with 1,680kg to shift – more than a stock Z. Happily there are some favourable changes to compensate, with an overhaul of the suspension, wider wheels and GT-R-inspired Dunlop SP Sport Maxx GT600 rubber. It might lack a clutch pedal but trackday regulars are unlikely to want the base car instead. There’s even enhanced oil cooling.

And yet the first impression once I’ve finally released the handbrake and pulled away is of a resolved little GT car, the Z lolloping along quietly at low revs and feeling smooth and refined in the Standard setting of its drive modes (Sport and Sport+ sit above it). The engine’s lungs are big enough to just leave the auto ‘box doing its thing as you sit nicely ensconced inside, happy to make unruffled progress just basking in the aura of a relatively high-capacity engine driving a single axle.

The car gets better with greater commitment, even if its relatively light and feel-free steering – certainly in comparison to an A110 or Cayman – doesn’t exactly zap confidence into your fingertips. You instead use its surprising (but welcome) amounts of lean into corners, finding a rich seam of communication in a more traditional way. For all the gnarly Nismo upgrades over standard, here’s a new model that’s not been compromisingly tied down. All the better for creating a road car that feels fun and flighty without stratospheric speeds on its digital readout. 

It thrives in tighter corners, when you can stick to second or third gear and really start to use the revs; despite its forced induction, the car needs a big number on the tacho if the rear axle is to truly to start indulging any Initial D fantasies. It does so with welcome progression too, especially if you’ve stuck to the middling Sport mode to avoid the stickier steering feel of Sport+. Though the latter does bring a more lenient tune of ESC.

The gearshifts feel a millisecond or two off being truly satisfying and you know within seconds this ain’t a DCT. Yet the nine ratios bring this car to life at fairly normal speeds; second tops out at around 50mph while third has roughly the reach of second in a Cayman. You feel nicely in tune with the engine, able to wring more out of it and experience the sharp howl of a hard-worked V6 when you really chase the revs. I’m not going to claim this VR30DDTT is a hall-of-fame engine, but in the grand scheme of cars right now, it’s a thoroughly welcome one. The gearbox offers a decent gateway to its potential.

The Nismo’s 9.2m yen domestic price currently converts to about £48,000, neatly tallying with its $65k US tag. Though it’s worth pointing out a pint of Asahi costs me less than a fiver back in downtown Tokyo, suggesting exchange rates are probably favourable right now. Surely £60k would be more likely here given where Alpines and Porsches sit – if Nissan ever throws emissions to the wind and actually imports this car.

You’re more likely to get one through an unofficial channel, in which case you’ll probably pay more than its performance justifies (just look at Honda S660 prices) to snare something that you’ll not see another of outside Caffeine and Machine. Because you won’t be tucking this away, will you?

What’s inescapable is that the 370Z Nismo exhibited a similar vibe an entire decade ago and this Z isn’t offering much in the way of revolution beyond extra power, focus and inches of media screen. And arguably sexier styling. But has the Cayman genuinely advanced much in the last decade, or just got incrementally better and sharper at its own USPs?

The car industry is naturally hung up on technological advancement – as it should be, for the most part – but as a PHer, you already know the value in occasionally standing still. The Z Nismo’s curious case of limbo is likely what keeps it from European showrooms, but it’s the very thing that’ll appeal to anyone craving a classic front-engine, rear-drive coupe like this. Even without a manual.


SPECIFICATION | 2024 NISSAN Z NISMO

Engine: 2997cc twin-turbo V6
Transmission: Nine-speed automatic, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 420
Torque (lb ft): 384
0-62mph: 4.5 seconds (est.)
Top speed: 157mph
Weight: 1680kg
MPG: 23mpg (est. from US spec)
CO2: 285g/km (est. from US spec)
Price: c£48,000 (based on JDM and US market pricing)

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Motormouth88

Original Poster:

321 posts

65 months

Yesterday (03:51)
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I like that a lot, even in the classic “nice of them to put primer on” colour. Front maybe doesn’t quite match the rear in terms of design and oddly seems a fairly low top speed for something with so much grunt

whp1983

1,221 posts

144 months

Yesterday (06:23)
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Looks quite cool….. we’re not getting it because we don’t buy them!

Everyone goes ooh that’s great and buys a Porsche instead.

Zero Fuchs

1,296 posts

23 months

Yesterday (07:05)
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whp1983 said:
Looks quite cool….. we’re not getting it because we don’t buy them!

Everyone goes ooh that’s great and buys a Porsche instead.
In a nutshell. Nissan never sold big numbers of the 'z' here. Probably because Cayman.

I'd have a GR86 over this anyway. Half the power but twice the car for half the price IMO. No need for 400 odd bhp if you're carrying 400kg less. But appreciate they're different cars.

Magikarp

889 posts

53 months

Yesterday (07:12)
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The profile looks weirdly unresolved at the rear. Too little at the rear roofline?

Kawasicki

13,393 posts

240 months

Yesterday (07:23)
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Interesting that a lower level of body control than typical is considered a plus.

sam.rog

865 posts

83 months

Yesterday (07:49)
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Not sure why you’d have a manual hand brake with an automatic transmission. Seems daft.

jezhumphrey75

240 posts

153 months

Yesterday (07:56)
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front end is butt ugly.....quite low powered for a twin turbo

Dynion Araf Uchaf

4,634 posts

228 months

Yesterday (07:59)
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It’d be pretty difficult to import a Nismo into the EU. All imports require a TDN (type designation number) which would normally be found on the certificate or conformity. However as Nismo is a post production modified vehicle it requires its own TDN, which the factory won’t provide as a rule.

You might be able to get one, if you ask for it while the car is still in Japan, but it’s nigh on impossible to get one once exported. You need a TDN to get type approval in the UK and get the car on the road.

josh00mac

340 posts

113 months

Yesterday (08:45)
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I think the awkward looks of the 370 didn’t help it. I like the ‘base’ one but haven’t seen one here yet. Prices on carsfromjapan seem pretty chunky so demand domestically in Japan must still be strong

Bloxxcreative

548 posts

50 months

Yesterday (08:46)
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We (well the motoribg journalists and buying public) moaned about the old ones being pretty crap compared to the competition, and now we're moaning we can't have nice things because they didn't sell that well here.

Shame. I really liked my 350z, and the 370 nismo seemed really good too when I had a go in one, if a little more sedated.

This does less for me though with its auto, TT set up. Not sure I prefer how it looks compared to previous, I even liked the crappy plastic, scratchy paint interiors.

havoc

30,659 posts

240 months

Yesterday (09:11)
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Kawasicki said:
Interesting that a lower level of body control than typical is considered a plus.
Because cars have become too stiff recently - manufacturers chase marketing-friendly lap-times and 'ring times, not real-world usability.

...and because if you make a car TOO stiff, not only does it struggle on less-than-smooth tarmac, but the breakaway point between grip and slip becomes sharper and harder to control (higher, but more of a pointy peak than a rounded, malleable one) - if you fancy yourself as an amateur drifter, a softer car is actually friendlier and easier to learn.

And even if you don't, you'll still find the softer car more readable, more easily collectable if you do make a mistake.
(Without modern ESC systems, those too-stiff / too-grippy chassis' would be a liability on the roads for your average owner, albeit the trend for massive torque curves is probably equally to blame)


The downside is you lose some precision around the front-end and the car generally feels a little less responsive. Depends if you like the hyper-alert, almost Playstation-esque behaviour of modern stuff.

cerb4.5lee

32,642 posts

185 months

Yesterday (09:13)
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sam.rog said:
Not sure why you’d have a manual hand brake with an automatic transmission. Seems daft.
My F82 M4 with the DCT is like that too. Newer school gearbox, but with an older school handbrake.

cerb4.5lee

32,642 posts

185 months

Yesterday (09:17)
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I'm sad that this isn't available in Europe in many ways, and I'm a big fan of my manual 370Z too. I'd be very tempted with this(and the standard manual model) if it was available in the UK for sure.

Gericho

394 posts

8 months

Yesterday (09:19)
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That is seriously ugly. The back and front seem to be two different cars. Trying too hard to be retro cute and doesn't suit it. The 350Z is better looking.

Mabbs9

1,200 posts

223 months

Yesterday (09:30)
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Not as good looking as the regular Z I think. I went to have a look while in Japan plus saw a couple on the road. The plain Z looked much nicer to me.



Edited by Mabbs9 on Saturday 28th September 09:32


Edited by Mabbs9 on Saturday 28th September 12:59

cerb4.5lee

32,642 posts

185 months

Yesterday (09:31)
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havoc said:
Kawasicki said:
Interesting that a lower level of body control than typical is considered a plus.
Because cars have become too stiff recently - manufacturers chase marketing-friendly lap-times and 'ring times, not real-world usability.

...and because if you make a car TOO stiff, not only does it struggle on less-than-smooth tarmac, but the breakaway point between grip and slip becomes sharper and harder to control (higher, but more of a pointy peak than a rounded, malleable one) - if you fancy yourself as an amateur drifter, a softer car is actually friendlier and easier to learn.

And even if you don't, you'll still find the softer car more readable, more easily collectable if you do make a mistake.
(Without modern ESC systems, those too-stiff / too-grippy chassis' would be a liability on the roads for your average owner, albeit the trend for massive torque curves is probably equally to blame)


The downside is you lose some precision around the front-end and the car generally feels a little less responsive. Depends if you like the hyper-alert, almost Playstation-esque behaviour of modern stuff.
Funnily enough there is quite a big contrast in that regard with the 370Z and the F82 M4. The 370Z is the much friendlier car because it is set up to be softer/more compliant. The M4 is rock hard in comparison, and the rear axle is super stiff for example. The M4 will snap out quite aggressively on occasion, whereas the 370Z is more readable if you know what I mean.

PSB1967

291 posts

161 months

Yesterday (09:40)
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For me Z cars are very hit and miss. The 240 was stunning, the 260 not so much and the 280 was a horrid fussy mess to my eyes. The 200 coupe was nice and the 300 was OK. Then came the handsome and muscular 350/370's. But this is very much in the 280 camp, over fussy and poorly proportioned. Maybe if I see one, I might change my view. But that is unlikely to happen any time soon.

edoverheels

381 posts

110 months

Yesterday (10:20)
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Old school kind of car (good) and so why only a nine speed auto?

cerb4.5lee

32,642 posts

185 months

Yesterday (10:25)
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edoverheels said:
Old school kind of car (good) and so why only a nine speed auto?
I was a bit disappointed/confused about that move for the Nismo model to be honest. Although I will say that the DCT in the M4 is a really good match to the 3.0 straight 6 twin turbo engine though. So maybe Nissan were thinking along those lines with this as well?

epom

12,169 posts

166 months

Yesterday (10:28)
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They’ve done a fine job on the design of that, a nice mixture of old school versus modern.