Points on Licence

[PurplePenguin]

Can speeding points be applied to a license without one’s knowledge?

[blue_haddock]

Yes if say for example you havent updated your driving license after moving so you pick up a speeding ticket and everything gets sent to your old address.

[martinbiz]

PurplePenguin said:

Can speeding points be applied to a license without one’s knowledge?

Yes

[martinbiz]

blue_haddock said:

Yes if say for example you havent updated your driving license after moving so you pick up a speeding ticket and everything gets sent to your old address.

Your driving licence address won't make any difference to that

[Vasco]

You can always check your points online if there's any doubt. Notification is often just by a letter - which, nowadays, seems to often get lost or heavily delayed.
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[WrekinCrew]

Speeding points - no. How do they know who was driving?

But the Registered Keeper would get 6 points and an MS90 endorsement for "failing to furnish" driver details.

[martinbiz]

WrekinCrew said:

Speeding points - no. How do they know who was driving?

But the Registered Keeper would get 6 points and an MS90 endorsement for "failing to furnish" driver details.

correct

[BertBert]

WrekinCrew said:

Speeding points - no. How do they know who was driving?

If you were stopped, they'd know who was driving. Then it's possible for points to get applied without you knowing through post getting lost or similar reasons. Edge case, but possible.

[JagLad]

WrekinCrew said:

But the Registered Keeper would get 6 points and an MS90 endorsement for "failing to furnish" driver details.

Unless, of course, the Registered Keeper responded to his "request for driver's details" naming somebody else as the driver, and the correspondence to that somebody else was either lost or ignored. Then Mr Somebody Else might find himself with six points.

[WrekinCrew]

BertBert said:

WrekinCrew said:

Speeding points - no. How do they know who was driving?

If you were stopped, they'd know who was driving. Then it's possible for points to get applied without you knowing through post getting lost or similar reasons. Edge case, but possible.

A lot would have to go wrong for that. Firstly they'll get no response to a Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty (if applicable), so a Single Justice Procedure Notice would follow. With no plea returned it would go to a full Court hearing. With no response to that summons I'm pretty sure the authorities would try to find you before just issuing points to a licence with a presumably invalid address.

Perhaps the OP could give some more details?

[WrekinCrew]

JagLad said:

Unless, of course, the Registered Keeper responded to his "request for driver's details" naming somebody else as the driver, and the correspondence to that somebody else was either lost or ignored. Then Mr Somebody Else might find himself with six points.

If the police don't get any response from the nominated driver they go back to the RK.

ps You can of course get points on your licence wrongly if the DVLA cock up. It's not unknown for them to mix up people with the same/similar names and DOB.

Edited by WrekinCrew on Friday 27th September 16:51

[BertBert]

WrekinCrew said:

A lot would have to go wrong for that. Firstly they'll get no response to a Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty (if applicable), so a Single Justice Procedure Notice would follow. With no plea returned it would go to a full Court hearing. With no response to that summons I'm pretty sure the authorities would try to find you before just issuing points to a licence with a presumably invalid address.

Perhaps the OP could give some more details?

I did say edge case

But yes some more context would help

[Sebring440]

BertBert said:

I did say edge case

What the fk is an "Edge case"?

[agtlaw]

WrekinCrew said:

so a Single Justice Procedure Notice would follow. With no plea returned it would go to a full court hearing.

Wrong.

[Alex Z]

Sebring440 said:

BertBert said:

I did say edge case

What the fk is an "Edge case"?

Something that is possible but highly unlikely.

[BertBert]

Sebring440 said:

What the fk is an "Edge case"?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edge_case

[Sebring440]

BertBert said:

Sebring440 said:

What the fk is an "Edge case"?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edge_case

Thanks for that. I know now (from the page you linked): "For example, a stereo speaker might noticeably distort audio when played at maximum volume, even in the absence of any other extreme setting or condition."

[JagLad]

WrekinCrew said:

If the police don't get any response from the nominated driver they go back to the RK.

The could. And they might if they suspect that (say) a fictitious name and/or address had been provided. But if they don't suspect anything untoward, why should they? The RK has fulfilled his obligation under s172 by providing the driver's details.

[WrekinCrew]

JagLad said:

WrekinCrew said:

If the police don't get any response from the nominated driver they go back to the RK.

The could. And they might if they suspect that (say) a fictitious name and/or address had been provided. But if they don't suspect anything untoward, why should they? The RK has fulfilled his obligation under s172 by providing the driver's details.

Would the nominated driver get convicted of speeding purely on the say-so of the RK without his knowledge?
If he doesn't respond to his own NIP / S.172 I would have thought he could only be charged with failure to furnish, not speeding.

[Shaw Tarse]

WrekinCrew said:

JagLad said:

WrekinCrew said:

If the police don't get any response from the nominated driver they go back to the RK.

The could. And they might if they suspect that (say) a fictitious name and/or address had been provided. But if they don't suspect anything untoward, why should they? The RK has fulfilled his obligation under s172 by providing the driver's details.

Would the nominated driver get convicted of speeding purely on the say-so of the RK without his knowledge?
If he doesn't respond to his own NIP / S.172 I would have thought he'd be charged with failure to furnish, not speeding.

Please give JagLad time to google their reply....