RE: Ted visits Blackpool
RE: Ted visits Blackpool
Wednesday 21st September 2005

Ted visits Blackpool

What does the Smolenski era TVR hold in store?


Last week - for the first time in five years - I visited the TVR factory in Bristol Avenue. The fact that PH received an invitation is testimony to the new spirit evident an the Blackpool factory.

From meeting with Managing Director David Oxley to the quick tour of the factory, it's clear that there's a new way of thinking present at TVR.

Credit must go to Peter Wheeler for turning the company into a manufacturer that is now recognised the world over. Wheeler transformed the company from one that made scores of cars into one that made thousands. New challenges await though in the 21st Century.

New owner Nicolai Smolenski is now charged with transforming TVR into a company capable of competing on the world stage. It's certainly not going to be a quick process and the changes required have necessitated a period of silence which has left many of us TVR fans wondering what was occurring.

Much of what has happened was a simple tidying up of practices, structures, policies and the factory itself. Factory security is improved, development cars are now hidden away and the yards are no longer littered with remnants of TVR history. Sad in some respects, but necessary if TVR is to operate as a world class manufacturer. Factory servicing has gone and Blackpool is focusing 100% on being a manufacturer.

New Transporters
New Transporters
One of the more obvious signs of the desire to present a better image is that Smolenski recently insisted on the delivery lorries being replaced. Gone are the 1970's style trailers and in came two purple, enclosed, articulated lorries emblazoned with the TVR logo.

Divisions

The company itself has been split into seperate divisions. A development division are responsible for designing the new cars, TVR Engineering Ltd build them and TVR Cars buy them from TVR Engineering and sell them to the dealers. TVR Cars are also responsible for telling the development team what they want from new models.

MD David Oxley was bullish about the future for TVR. He told me that Smolenski has a clear plan for the next five years and it's down to the new management team to execute it. NS is happy to spell out his plans and leave the new team to execute them with visits to Blackpool from the Russian owner taking place every fortnight.

What the boys at Blackpool have up their sleeve is now harder to find out than in the Wheeler era. Secrecy has been upgraded to the standards you'd expect from any manufacturer. Oxley hinted at long term plans of production levels of 5,000 cars a year but it's clear that he's intent on getting the right foundations in place on which to build the future of TVR.

The bottom line is that TVR isn't being run as it was previously. NS has injected a significant amount of money in the company to facilitate its growth. No longer should it be hamstrung by cashflow problems as it had been in the latter years of the Wheeler era.

The Cars

I'm guessing that it could be a couple of years before we see the first 100% Smolenski inspired car launched. In the meantime the range of cars is likely to be refined and developed based on traditional TVR technologies.

Rumours of the Typhon's death are said to be premature so don't write that project off yet either. Initially it was a somewhat superficial homologation exercise for racing activities but I was told that work continues on producing proper road going versions now. We await news with interest.

As I left I was given details of the new warranties which are now offered on both new cars and approved used cars within the dealer network, and with a new price list.

The new price list makes interesting reading. TVR have opted to supply their models in 'standard' form and let owners decide which options they want. As a result the basic prices do look more attractive than in recent years (prices include VAT)

  • Tamora 3.6: £36,425
  • T350C 3.6: £38,775
  • Tuscan 4.0 targa/convertible: £39,950
  • Sagaris 4.0: £49,350

18 inch wheels will cost you £1100+VAT and full hide trim another £1000+VAT but it does offer a simpler pricing structure than had been present in recent years.

The sense I got whilst in Blackpool was that we shouldn't expect too much too quickly but the company is being put on a sound footing and is concentrating on getting the basics right.

We'll be following progress with great interest as ever.

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whitey

Original Poster:

2,508 posts

313 months

Wednesday 21st September 2005
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Is there still a Tuscan S model? Targa and convertible?

cheers
Whitey

PetrolTed

34,468 posts

332 months

Wednesday 21st September 2005
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Yes, it's a "Sports Pack" for £8500+VAT.

jpf

1,342 posts

305 months

Wednesday 21st September 2005
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Congrats on the visit, PT.

How many cars have they sold so far this year?

Where is Ben Samuelson?

anonymous-user

83 months

Wednesday 21st September 2005
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The base price of the Tuscan has always been £40k. 18in wheels etc.. have always been extra. What's changed?

PetrolTed

34,468 posts

332 months

Wednesday 21st September 2005
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unrepentant said:
The base price of the Tuscan has always been £40k. 18in wheels etc.. have always been extra. What's changed?


OK, I stand corrected. I was under the impression that some items that used to be standard are now optional.

PetrolTed

34,468 posts

332 months

Wednesday 21st September 2005
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jpf said:
Where is Ben Samuelson?


Gone

Terminator

2,421 posts

313 months

Wednesday 21st September 2005
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What exactly is David Oxley MD of? TVR Cars or TVR Engineering?

anonymous-user

83 months

Wednesday 21st September 2005
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PetrolTed said:

unrepentant said:
The base price of the Tuscan has always been £40k. 18in wheels etc.. have always been extra. What's changed?



OK, I stand corrected. I was under the impression that some items that used to be standard are now optional.


Sorry. Didn't mean to sound confrontational.

£1250 extra for 18in wheels, as opposed to 16in wheels. That is a licence to print money and always has been.

How much extra do you reckon they pay their wheel suppliers for 18s as opposed to 16s. I did consider ordering mine with 16in wheels and ordering an extra set of 18in and selling the 16s. But in the end I couldn't be arsed.

PetrolTed

34,468 posts

332 months

Wednesday 21st September 2005
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I think I saw a T350 on 16's on the production line. I could be wrong though...

chim666

2,337 posts

294 months

Wednesday 21st September 2005
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Well, I think that all sounds good positive stuff for the future of TVR Ted - well done!

hobo

6,616 posts

275 months

Wednesday 21st September 2005
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I understood that the Sagaris was the only model to come with 18" alloys as standard.

anonymous-user

83 months

Wednesday 21st September 2005
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16s are standard. Hardly anyone orders them though.

W333

417 posts

252 months

Wednesday 21st September 2005
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I think the 16"s look a little silly on them, the high-profile tyres don't do the cars any favours in the looks department. I imagine that 18 inch wheels will eventually become standard over a period of time, with maybe 19"s avaliable for specification on the higher-spec models.

Good article though - that truck does look rather cool

GTRene

22,426 posts

253 months

Wednesday 21st September 2005
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18"s wheels has to be standard on a TVR , looks better, and also better driving advertiesments!!

By the way that nice truck(DAF) is a make from the Netherlands where I life, but I would wish that they also make TVR's here in my country...be proud of those fantastic cars...!
Soon the TVR Sagaris will arive on sale here in the Netherlands at a cost beginning at 116.500,-euro! thats about 78.800,-GBP for you English..its that high because of TAX and stupid BPM (extra lux tax)
You are lucky in GB only paying from 49.800,-GBP we pay almost 30.000,-GBP more! thats 44.400,-euro

René

>> Edited by GTRene on Wednesday 21st September 19:13

markdav744

107 posts

256 months

Wednesday 21st September 2005
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any news on finally sorting the engine problems. if theyre sticking with the speed six, i would think sorting it should be top of the pile. this problem is slowly becoming common knowledge outside the tvr owners/lovers community.

jamessim

497 posts

289 months

Wednesday 21st September 2005
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Hi Folks,
David Oxley was the person who very kindly took me and my wife around the factory, when we turned up unnanounced, just before the launch of the Tuscan 2 after we got our dates completelty wrong.
I realise how valuable management and especially senior management time is, and it is with this kind of personal service, even though this might be suspended for the time being, will make me remain within the TVR fold.

Best Regards,

James & Marie Sim.

sideways mostly

2,681 posts

270 months

Wednesday 21st September 2005
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Thank you Ted-it all sounds good to me!TVR are a world famous brand already-if they can convert all that interest into sales,and it sounds like they have the right approach to acheive this,then the future is bright for TVR

justinp1

13,363 posts

259 months

Wednesday 21st September 2005
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unrepentant said:

PetrolTed said:


unrepentant said:
The base price of the Tuscan has always been £40k. 18in wheels etc.. have always been extra. What's changed?




OK, I stand corrected. I was under the impression that some items that used to be standard are now optional.



Sorry. Didn't mean to sound confrontational.

£1250 extra for 18in wheels, as opposed to 16in wheels. That is a licence to print money and always has been.

How much extra do you reckon they pay their wheel suppliers for 18s as opposed to 16s. I did consider ordering mine with 16in wheels and ordering an extra set of 18in and selling the 16s. But in the end I couldn't be arsed.


I reckon they sell the standard car with 16" wheels with the full knowledge that 98% of customers will chose the extra option. However that way it allows them to get to the psychological price point whilst still keeping up the margin.

Last time I looked the 18" Spiders were about £200 each, and the tyres £150, that would make the total cost £1400 *to buy the whole lot at retail price* and still have the original tyres and wheels spare. At a quick guestimate doing it the way they are generates another £1000 of profit without a severe hit to sales figures.

jamieheasman

823 posts

313 months

Wednesday 21st September 2005
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Any word on crash-testing Ted? I assume if they want to shift 5000 cars a year they're going to have to.

lundinoir

633 posts

254 months

Wednesday 21st September 2005
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PetrolTed said:
As I left I was given details of the new warranties which are now offered on both new cars and approved used cars within the dealer network...


I'm still waiting for the new warranty details for new cars. Who would be the best person to contact?