FIA inconsistent penalties fiasco...
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That was the exact incident I was referring to in my post on the race thread. I had half expected Fernando to make a comment at the post race interviews....
It is a joke. But then since 2021 it has been. The only reason it was "sensible" for the last two years was because Max had a 1sec a lap advantage and did not need to "race".....
It is a joke. But then since 2021 it has been. The only reason it was "sensible" for the last two years was because Max had a 1sec a lap advantage and did not need to "race".....
Had to be Phil...
Max goes in fully locked up, and he's trying to blame Lewis for Max hitting him.
"Verstappen launched an ambitious overtaking move on Lewis Hamilton in the closing stages of the race at the Hungaroring, resulting in the pair making contact as Verstappen's left-rear tyre went over Hamilton's right front and pitched the Red Bull into the air."
However he's right, how many times has Max been let off when others faced penalties for doing much less. It's time for Max to face the same penalties others have to
Max goes in fully locked up, and he's trying to blame Lewis for Max hitting him.
"Verstappen launched an ambitious overtaking move on Lewis Hamilton in the closing stages of the race at the Hungaroring, resulting in the pair making contact as Verstappen's left-rear tyre went over Hamilton's right front and pitched the Red Bull into the air."
However he's right, how many times has Max been let off when others faced penalties for doing much less. It's time for Max to face the same penalties others have to
Blib said:
I reckon Hamilton suckered Max into a stupid move.
As someone on a podcast remarked "Hamilton played him like a fiddle".
Lewis's grin during interviews may have given it away.
My thoughts all along.As someone on a podcast remarked "Hamilton played him like a fiddle".
Lewis's grin during interviews may have given it away.
Door looks half open.
He won the last race after a draught.
He's not going to win this championship.
It's his last year with Mercedes.
He's winding down [some up?] and having some fun. I think there will be more of this.
Blib said:
I reckon Hamilton suckered Max into a stupid move.
As someone on a podcast remarked "Hamilton played him like a fiddle".
Lewis's grin during interviews may have given it away.
Would agree, was very quick to accept it as a racing incident, hints that he knew exactly what he was doing.As someone on a podcast remarked "Hamilton played him like a fiddle".
Lewis's grin during interviews may have given it away.
Fingers crossed for further meltdowns.
PhilAsia said:
What can be done?
Nothing, really. Compared to the reasonably recent past, I'd say consistency in penalties have become much more consistent but they'll always be subject to inconsistent application. It's the nature of the beast.
The only way to ensure absolute consistency is to defer all penalties until after the race when forensic analysis and a thorough review of the relevant threads on Pistonheads can be undertaken.
As a long time F1 fan and been left flabbergasted by the Schumacher/ Ferrari years and the ridiculous penalties Schumacher received (for example one point less than would change the championship outcome) you become immune to how useless the fia are as a governing body. Other sports bodies show how it should be done and aren’t afraid to remove medals etc where after action reviews show cheating etc was done; the fia will never do that. More interested in revenue than setting standards.
head moves are only illegal for the Spanish. Did PHers not read that in the FIA rulebook?Time4another said:
Blib said:
I reckon Hamilton suckered Max into a stupid move.
As someone on a podcast remarked "Hamilton played him like a fiddle".
Lewis's grin during interviews may have given it away.
Would agree, was very quick to accept it as a racing incident, hints that he knew exactly what he was doing.As someone on a podcast remarked "Hamilton played him like a fiddle".
Lewis's grin during interviews may have given it away.
Fingers crossed for further meltdowns.
That win for Lewis at Silverstone, and a little demob-happy attitude, has really given him a spring in his step for the rest of this season. Hope we see a lot more of this Lewis in the coming races.
The FIA simply just needs one team of stewards who attend all the events.
It’s not the FIA’s fault to be fair. It’s the stewards and how they see an incident. This is why it has to be one view at each event.
It was a racing incident IMO and in this case I agree with the stewards. Hamilton wasn’t as innocent as people are making out.
Alonso completely messed up his move so IMO both can’t be compared.
It’s not the FIA’s fault to be fair. It’s the stewards and how they see an incident. This is why it has to be one view at each event.
It was a racing incident IMO and in this case I agree with the stewards. Hamilton wasn’t as innocent as people are making out.
Alonso completely messed up his move so IMO both can’t be compared.
anonymous_user said:
like it or loathe it, but the stewards/ RD are definitely taking outcome into account no matter how much they say otherwise ...hence a lot of apparent inconsistencies
Indeed so, it’s obvious given how many similar accidents are judged differently. If LH had lost his front wheel on Sunday, Max would have had either a 10s penalty or even a drive-through for causing a collision. A starting point would be, as others have suggested, employing a much smaller pool of stewards and paying them properly to attend most races. Perhaps six in total, with four at each event.
Elusive said:
The FIA simply just needs one team of stewards who attend all the events.
It’s not the FIA’s fault to be fair. It’s the stewards and how they see an incident. This is why it has to be one view at each event.
It was a racing incident IMO and in this case I agree with the stewards. Hamilton wasn’t as innocent as people are making out.
Alonso completely messed up his move so IMO both can’t be compared.
Max did his usual diagonal 100% threshold-braking block pass to leave his back wheels blocking Lewis from cutting back........, and just staying within the track boundaries.. Max fluffed it by locking up both wheels, after leaving his braking too late and going 100% with no hope of a steering adjustment, thereby not allowing for Lewis turning in to follow where the track went, without being hit by Max.It’s not the FIA’s fault to be fair. It’s the stewards and how they see an incident. This is why it has to be one view at each event.
It was a racing incident IMO and in this case I agree with the stewards. Hamilton wasn’t as innocent as people are making out.
Alonso completely messed up his move so IMO both can’t be compared.
Lewis called it a racing incident just to appear the consummate refined sportsman to Max' unsportsmanlike, banshee, red mist, fail.
PhilAsia said:
Lewis called it a racing incident just to appear the consummate refined sportsman to Max' unsportsmanlike, banshee, red mist, fail.
For me there were two reasons he said that. The first was he likes to actually race and if people can't try for an overtake, well, it is not actually worth going racing.
The second was because there was no damage to his car and Max came off worse (but damn they build those Red Bull cars strong, I assume to take the hits Max puts them through when he "races") so no harm no foul etc...
Jasandjules said:
PhilAsia said:
Lewis called it a racing incident just to appear the consummate refined sportsman to Max' unsportsmanlike, banshee, red mist, fail.
For me there were two reasons he said that. The first was he likes to actually race and if people can't try for an overtake, well, it is not actually worth going racing.
The second was because there was no damage to his car and Max came off worse (but damn they build those Red Bull cars strong, I assume to take the hits Max puts them through when he "races") so no harm no foul etc...
Jasandjules said:
For me there were two reasons he said that.
The first was he likes to actually race and if people can't try for an overtake, well, it is not actually worth going racing.
The second was because there was no damage to his car and Max came off worse (but damn they build those Red Bull cars strong, I assume to take the hits Max puts them through when he "races") so no harm no foul etc...
Ah the old Senna quote.The first was he likes to actually race and if people can't try for an overtake, well, it is not actually worth going racing.
The second was because there was no damage to his car and Max came off worse (but damn they build those Red Bull cars strong, I assume to take the hits Max puts them through when he "races") so no harm no foul etc...
That's Senna who was ... checks notes ... also a little bit unhinged, and not bothered if he lived or died. And Senna who ... that's right ... was quite happy to punt his rivals off if it helped him win.
PhilAsia said:
Yep. Should have put my normal imo... I may be mistaken, but the onboard from Albon seems to show Lewis steer right to turn in, then straighten very slightly to create room as he realises Max is throwing it down the inside, then turn right again, but without allowing for Max to be unable to steer at all. Ploughing straight on caught out both drivers - one following the track direction, the other following the loss of control.
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