Ktm 990 vs tenere vs africa twin
Discussion
Fancying a ktm 990 adventure, as it looks the best offroad for a bike that can still do some mild touring with a pillion, will be doing a bit offroading along the way on our trips. What are peoples experiences of these?
How do the tenere and africa twin compare in the dirt?
Looking at the cheapest end of the market. Not afraid to do a bit of work on whatever i buy.
Apparently these are way more reliable than ktms of old and parts are readily available, would that be right?
How do the tenere and africa twin compare in the dirt?
Looking at the cheapest end of the market. Not afraid to do a bit of work on whatever i buy.
Apparently these are way more reliable than ktms of old and parts are readily available, would that be right?
If you have a look, there are lots of reviews and comparisons on YouTube and forums etc
Essentially, the 990 Adventure compares very favorably to the modern stuff with the exception of the electronics, whether that's a good or bad thing depends on the rider
It's essentially the same weight with more power, more torque and better suspension compared to the other two
The 990 Adventure, despite being almost identical to my 990 SM feels huge in comparison
I own an Adv but I haven't had time to use it off-road yet - I'm taking it to the ABR along with my 701 to decide which one I'm keeping
Essentially, the 990 Adventure compares very favorably to the modern stuff with the exception of the electronics, whether that's a good or bad thing depends on the rider
It's essentially the same weight with more power, more torque and better suspension compared to the other two
The 990 Adventure, despite being almost identical to my 990 SM feels huge in comparison
I own an Adv but I haven't had time to use it off-road yet - I'm taking it to the ABR along with my 701 to decide which one I'm keeping
Edited by KTMsm on Saturday 22 June 22:30
k it, its got to be the 990. The tenere looks boring and the africa twins in my budget are 60hp with a 5 speed gearbox, you only live once.If you're looking at the previous gen Africa Twin then KTM all the way. The CRF1000L/CRF1100L are surprisingly capable and probably have a little more reliability - although the KTM is way more fun to ride.
I've had a couple KTM 9x0s, and there are a bunch of things you can do to make them relatively bullet proof. The all have a couple weak spots or things to watch out for, but there is tons and tons of info about how to sort them, and do preventative maintenance.
As they are getting a little old, the key is to find ones that are not held together by tape.
I bought one that looked good
But it turns out to be stored at the bottom of the sea.
All necessary parts are available from KTM or 3rd party suppliers - although some plastics like the fuel tank protectors etc are not - but people are getting them made (if you dont want to run crash bars but still ride offroad).
I've got a thread over on ADV Rider detailing me bringing my Adventure up to what I'd day is perfection: https://www.advrider.com/f/threads/spongebobs-ktm-...
And I've done similar - including a superduke motor swap to a SM-R if you go the carb route: https://www.advrider.com/f/threads/950-sm-r-teardo...
Sadly it looks like http://ktm950.info/ is currently suspended, although its happened before and come back. Most of that info is on ADV rider - you just need to search for it, it was a nice collated library,
All models have their pros and cons. The 950s have the best throttle feel, but you are in the carb world with them. The later 990s have a few benefits over the early ones, but they have the immobiliser that can give trouble. Universally, you just need to ensure the TPS is set right - thats the source of most people's issues.
Happy hunting!
I've had a couple KTM 9x0s, and there are a bunch of things you can do to make them relatively bullet proof. The all have a couple weak spots or things to watch out for, but there is tons and tons of info about how to sort them, and do preventative maintenance.
As they are getting a little old, the key is to find ones that are not held together by tape.
I bought one that looked good
But it turns out to be stored at the bottom of the sea.
All necessary parts are available from KTM or 3rd party suppliers - although some plastics like the fuel tank protectors etc are not - but people are getting them made (if you dont want to run crash bars but still ride offroad).
I've got a thread over on ADV Rider detailing me bringing my Adventure up to what I'd day is perfection: https://www.advrider.com/f/threads/spongebobs-ktm-...
And I've done similar - including a superduke motor swap to a SM-R if you go the carb route: https://www.advrider.com/f/threads/950-sm-r-teardo...
Sadly it looks like http://ktm950.info/ is currently suspended, although its happened before and come back. Most of that info is on ADV rider - you just need to search for it, it was a nice collated library,
All models have their pros and cons. The 950s have the best throttle feel, but you are in the carb world with them. The later 990s have a few benefits over the early ones, but they have the immobiliser that can give trouble. Universally, you just need to ensure the TPS is set right - thats the source of most people's issues.
Happy hunting!
OldGermanHeaps said:
Looking at 4.5k max so would only be the xrv750, so deffo made my mind up 990 all the way.
If you can , stretch it to 5.5k and that will get you a lovely R. There have been a few offered on the FB groups in winter for 5k-ish with very tasty upgrades. If you can, wait for winter again.Killboy said:
If you're looking at the previous gen Africa Twin then KTM all the way. The CRF1000L/CRF1100L are surprisingly capable and probably have a little more reliability - although the KTM is way more fun to ride.
I've had a couple KTM 9x0s, and there are a bunch of things you can do to make them relatively bullet proof. The all have a couple weak spots or things to watch out for, but there is tons and tons of info about how to sort them, and do preventative maintenance.
As they are getting a little old, the key is to find ones that are not held together by tape.
I bought one that looked good
But it turns out to be stored at the bottom of the sea.
All necessary parts are available from KTM or 3rd party suppliers - although some plastics like the fuel tank protectors etc are not - but people are getting them made (if you dont want to run crash bars but still ride offroad).
I've got a thread over on ADV Rider detailing me bringing my Adventure up to what I'd day is perfection: https://www.advrider.com/f/threads/spongebobs-ktm-...
And I've done similar - including a superduke motor swap to a SM-R if you go the carb route: https://www.advrider.com/f/threads/950-sm-r-teardo...
Sadly it looks like http://ktm950.info/ is currently suspended, although its happened before and come back. Most of that info is on ADV rider - you just need to search for it, it was a nice collated library,
All models have their pros and cons. The 950s have the best throttle feel, but you are in the carb world with them. The later 990s have a few benefits over the early ones, but they have the immobiliser that can give trouble. Universally, you just need to ensure the TPS is set right - thats the source of most people's issues.
Happy hunting!
Jesus, what rusty part was that? Even my CZ wasn't that rusty!I've had a couple KTM 9x0s, and there are a bunch of things you can do to make them relatively bullet proof. The all have a couple weak spots or things to watch out for, but there is tons and tons of info about how to sort them, and do preventative maintenance.
As they are getting a little old, the key is to find ones that are not held together by tape.
I bought one that looked good
But it turns out to be stored at the bottom of the sea.
All necessary parts are available from KTM or 3rd party suppliers - although some plastics like the fuel tank protectors etc are not - but people are getting them made (if you dont want to run crash bars but still ride offroad).
I've got a thread over on ADV Rider detailing me bringing my Adventure up to what I'd day is perfection: https://www.advrider.com/f/threads/spongebobs-ktm-...
And I've done similar - including a superduke motor swap to a SM-R if you go the carb route: https://www.advrider.com/f/threads/950-sm-r-teardo...
Sadly it looks like http://ktm950.info/ is currently suspended, although its happened before and come back. Most of that info is on ADV rider - you just need to search for it, it was a nice collated library,
All models have their pros and cons. The 950s have the best throttle feel, but you are in the carb world with them. The later 990s have a few benefits over the early ones, but they have the immobiliser that can give trouble. Universally, you just need to ensure the TPS is set right - thats the source of most people's issues.
Happy hunting!
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/79157276...
Thoughts on this?
To spend any more i would need to sell my crf450x and i am wary of doing that as I love broxburn bing, and i reckon a 990 might be a bit too heavy for there.
But then again, if its capable enough...
Thoughts on this?
To spend any more i would need to sell my crf450x and i am wary of doing that as I love broxburn bing, and i reckon a 990 might be a bit too heavy for there.
But then again, if its capable enough...
Edited by OldGermanHeaps on Sunday 23 June 20:43
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/10985546...
What are the differences between an r and a not r?
What benefits do the extra alphabet components get me?
What are the differences between an r and a not r?
What benefits do the extra alphabet components get me?
Edited by OldGermanHeaps on Sunday 23 June 23:22
OldGermanHeaps said:
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/10985546...
What are the differences between an r and a not r?
"it has the long travel suspension being a 2010 R"What are the differences between an r and a not r?
Feel free to Google but I thought it was just the longer suspension. Which unless you're over 6 ft you probably won't want
2009 gets the better dash and mapping, albeit the earlier ones are easy to map yourself using tune ECU
I think the late engine was 2010 on but it all starts getting a bit nerdy, there's not much wrong with the early ones
The biggest complaint was usually snatchy throttle at low revs which generally is down to setup
2009 gets the better dash and mapping, albeit the earlier ones are easy to map yourself using tune ECU
I think the late engine was 2010 on but it all starts getting a bit nerdy, there's not much wrong with the early ones
The biggest complaint was usually snatchy throttle at low revs which generally is down to setup
The norm has 210mm suspension travel
The R has 245mm suspension travel
The S has 265mm
The R does NOT have ABS - a bit of a plus of you ride off-road often because the ABS switching is a pain (although there are mods you can do to help that.
There may be a few lite changes like mid 08 bikes got an increased water pump impeller size - but it's also a popular mod to those doing the seals.
There were small incremental power increases through the years
I wouldn't worry too much about those small differences. If you are going to use it hard offroad the R is the one you wants if you are buying it to do mostly road with a bit of off-road the normal is fine.
The R has 245mm suspension travel
The S has 265mm
The R does NOT have ABS - a bit of a plus of you ride off-road often because the ABS switching is a pain (although there are mods you can do to help that.
There may be a few lite changes like mid 08 bikes got an increased water pump impeller size - but it's also a popular mod to those doing the seals.
There were small incremental power increases through the years
I wouldn't worry too much about those small differences. If you are going to use it hard offroad the R is the one you wants if you are buying it to do mostly road with a bit of off-road the normal is fine.
OldGermanHeaps said:
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/79157276...
Thoughts on this?
To spend any more i would need to sell my crf450x and i am wary of doing that as I love broxburn bing, and i reckon a 990 might be a bit too heavy for there.
But then again, if its capable enough...
I'm not too clued up on power commander installs on them. May help the anarchy throttle?Thoughts on this?
To spend any more i would need to sell my crf450x and i am wary of doing that as I love broxburn bing, and i reckon a 990 might be a bit too heavy for there.
But then again, if its capable enough...
Edited by OldGermanHeaps on Sunday 23 June 20:43
It looks like a clean bike, with decent options and upgrades. They can feel sketchy with off-road tires at first
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