Famin is a man of his word, Ocon out!

[FeelingLucky]

https://www.planetf1.com/news/esteban-ocon-alpine-...

End of the season. Presumably his card has been marked and he's been told further "incidents" will trigger an immediate suspension.

[rallycross]

Still think they should I have benched him at least for Canada he was probably leaving the team at the end of the year anyway so it’s not much of a penalty for his daft move that nearly took both Alpines out of the Monaco race.

Having him sit in the pits and watch Doohan driving his car would have been a good message for bone head Occon.

[Wills2]

All Famin seems to be able to do is fire people, not sure that's the main goal here, it will catch up with him if he carries on like this.

[rev-erend]

Ocon has a few loose screws. Hopefully racing in a series that needs his special talents.

Maybe saloon car racing or bangers figure of 8.

[Adrian W]

rev-erend said:

Ocon has a few loose screws. Hopefully racing in a series that needs his special talents.

Maybe saloon car racing or bangers figure of 8.

Now hopefully he will get a drive with a good team, Alpine is a disaster

[Wills2]

Under Abiteboul or Szafnauer they were a solid 4th or 5th team looking to make the move up but now it's nose dived under Famin he can only blame Otmar and keep firing people for so long.

[hondajack85]

What do the stats say? Im sure he was running similar race times to alonso,and they were always squabbling over places.
With Stroll alonso may miss out now and again in quali ,but is always further up the road in races.
Toto must know all this as he looks to place him somewhere.
Its a shame no team has the rod dennis sadistic streak that pits drivers agains each other.
Ocon And Max at red bull would have been prost/senna in japan every race.

[Wills2]

F1 is better to watch when there are inter team rivalries at play, but the cars are so expensive now together with the cost cap which means you get team orders and slapped bottoms all round if they do it, so we're robbed of that old style of rubbing racing.

[thegreenhell]

He's still managed by Toto and is technically still a Mercedes Junior. However, there's no sign of him being wanted by that team, and Mercedes got rid of their Formula E team last year so he's out of luck there too.

He may end up back at Mercedes as reserve driver if Mick Schumacher goes to Alpine where he's already part of their WEC squad.

[spikyone]

thegreenhell said:

He's still managed by Toto and is technically still a Mercedes Junior. However, there's no sign of him being wanted by that team, and Mercedes got rid of their Formula E team last year so he's out of luck there too.

He may end up back at Mercedes as reserve driver if Mick Schumacher goes to Alpine where he's already part of their WEC squad.

I don't see Mick as any sort of improvement over Ocon; quite the opposite in fact. They'd be better off putting Doohan in the car rather than have Mick pootle around off the pace and occasionally stuff it into the wall. If they don't put Doohan in the car it'll be another junior driver mismanaged by the team and I imagine he'll be looking for the exit too.

I also don't think Famin is worthy of any praise here. He must be the least inspiring TP in F1.

It feels like Ocon has blown it in F1 now. He obviously has performance but just can't help driving into his team-mate. Nobody will miss him, and few will want to hire a driver that can be such a liability.

[asfault]

spikyone said:

thegreenhell said:

He's still managed by Toto and is technically still a Mercedes Junior. However, there's no sign of him being wanted by that team, and Mercedes got rid of their Formula E team last year so he's out of luck there too.

He may end up back at Mercedes as reserve driver if Mick Schumacher goes to Alpine where he's already part of their WEC squad.

I don't see Mick as any sort of improvement over Ocon; quite the opposite in fact. They'd be better off putting Doohan in the car rather than have Mick pootle around off the pace and occasionally stuff it into the wall. If they don't put Doohan in the car it'll be another junior driver mismanaged by the team and I imagine he'll be looking for the exit too.

I also don't think Famin is worthy of any praise here. He must be the least inspiring TP in F1.

It feels like Ocon has blown it in F1 now. He obviously has performance but just can't help driving into his team-mate. Nobody will miss him, and few will want to hire a driver that can be such a liability.

Do we actually rate Doohan over Mick? Mick won f3 and f2 (2 attempts at each but still) Doohan nothing. And Micks time in that Haas it was a dog.

[thegreenhell]

I was more thinking along the lines of Mick as Alpine F1 reserve alongside his WEC duties, with Doohan promoted to the race seat.

[spikyone]

asfault said:

spikyone said:

thegreenhell said:

He's still managed by Toto and is technically still a Mercedes Junior. However, there's no sign of him being wanted by that team, and Mercedes got rid of their Formula E team last year so he's out of luck there too.

He may end up back at Mercedes as reserve driver if Mick Schumacher goes to Alpine where he's already part of their WEC squad.

I don't see Mick as any sort of improvement over Ocon; quite the opposite in fact. They'd be better off putting Doohan in the car rather than have Mick pootle around off the pace and occasionally stuff it into the wall. If they don't put Doohan in the car it'll be another junior driver mismanaged by the team and I imagine he'll be looking for the exit too.

I also don't think Famin is worthy of any praise here. He must be the least inspiring TP in F1.

It feels like Ocon has blown it in F1 now. He obviously has performance but just can't help driving into his team-mate. Nobody will miss him, and few will want to hire a driver that can be such a liability.

Do we actually rate Doohan over Mick? Mick won f3 and f2 (2 attempts at each but still) Doohan nothing. And Micks time in that Haas it was a dog.

It's a bit of an unknown of course. Mick was far from a standout in a fairly weak couple of seasons of F2. The Haas being poor is no excuse for being thrashed by a returning KMag and repeatedly sticking it in the wall. He was better than Mazepin, but not by anywhere near the margin he should have been; compare his performance with Russell vs Kubica/Stroll, amongst other examples of rookies schooling poor team-mates.

For me it's a case of Mick already having proved he's not F1 material. He's hanging around like a bad smell now and it's faintly embarrassing seeing him look over Wolff's shoulder every weekend.
Doohan hasn't even been given an opportunity - and if Alpine don't intend to give him the opportunity, then they should stop wasting his time and give him the chance to go elsewhere. I suspect he's no Piastri or Lawson, but it's yet another example where being a junior driver can do more harm than good to your career unless you get lucky with timing.

[hondajack85]

New car regs revealed today. Even renault can do that. Remember they have a lot of engineers back in france with some sort of superiority complex. The idea they would bail out of F1 is fanciful.
As for drivers ,can doohan sign elsewhere and send out some sort of tweet like the last guy,or have they locked him down with an airtight contract?

[Wills2]

Surprise surprise! The hatchet man is now also out, Famin gone....

[asfault]

hondajack85 said:

New car regs revealed today. Even renault can do that. Remember they have a lot of engineers back in france with some sort of superiority complex. The idea they would bail out of F1 is fanciful.
As for drivers ,can doohan sign elsewhere and send out some sort of tweet like the last guy,or have they locked him down with an airtight contract?

Doohan will want in regardless of any issues with that car or team he needs to get his foot in the door. A potential Sainz deal would be terrible for him.