Speed limiters from July 7 2024 on all new cars

[johnboy1975]

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/content/news/mandator...

Have I been living under a rock? Managed to miss the previous discussion with a 2022 enforcement date, which has presumably been delayed to 2024 (?)

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

This seems like exactly the sort of thing Brexit was cited as solving. (A "Brexit benefit" if you will... )

So why are we opting in? (As such)

And why haven't I seen it on the news for that matter? Or even an up to date thread on a specialist motoring forum (unless I've missed it? In which case a mod can close this, or file in the bin )

Of particular concern:

said:

All new cars that are launching or have been launched in the European market need to be fitted with an Intelligent Speed Assist (ISA) by 7 July 2024 according to the 2019/2044 regulation by the European Commission. This means any existing unregistered cars on forecourts will have to be retrofitted with a speed limiter before they can be sold.

Is it just a case of "turn it off and forget about it" - for now, at least?

Speed limiter I guess is slightly misleading, it's just a warning system which beeps at you, as opposed to slamming the brakes on when it misreads a 50 sign on the back of a lorry

[James6112]

“ The speed limiter will send haptic, audio, and visual warnings until you start driving within the speed limits. You can override the system by pressing hard on the accelerator, but the system will reactivate every time the car is started”

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Every car I've owned since about 2010 has had a speed limiter. It's a good thing. Like cruise control, you choose what to set it to, and whether you set it at all. I have mine set to 85. Because on the motorway, I don't want to be creeping up above that speed inadvertently. I'll take the risk of 3 points and a fine, but I don't want to get into territory which will lead to more serious consequences.

It's your personal choice to use it how you see fit, or not use it at all.

[Wills2]

I've experience this system in various BMWs coupled with lane assist it's a ruddy pain the arse so needs to be turned off but some of the BMWs I had did some very funky stuff even with it turned off it's as bad as front collision avoidance which appears to have been designed to just slam on the brakes randomly.

But this is only in BMWs and they have never worked out how to get auto sensing wipers to work so others might be better at it.

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TwigtheWonderkid said:

Every car I've owned since about 2010 has had a speed limiter. It's a good thing. Like cruise control, you choose what to set it to, and whether you set it at all. I have mine set to 85. Because on the motorway, I don't want to be creeping up above that speed inadvertently. I'll take the risk of 3 points and a fine, but I don't want to get into territory which will lead to more serious consequences.

It's your personal choice to use it how you see fit, or not use it at all.

Try reading the article.

[Lil_Red_GTV]

Funnily enough I just, concurrently with the start of this thread, started this thread about my experience of Intelligent Speed Assistance in a 2024 Peugeot 408:

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

It's not good.

[johnboy1975]

Lil_Red_GTV said:

Funnily enough I just, concurrently with the start of this thread, started this thread about my experience of Intelligent Speed Assistance in a 2024 Peugeot 408:

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

It's not good.

Yeah that's exactly the sort of thing I was hoping to avoid

Wife's getting a Skoda Karoq in June, or early July - hopefully before the 7th - if that even makes a difference?? - seems most manufacturers have jumped the gun (understandable given retrofitting would no doubt be a nightmare)

Anyone got any experience of Skoda's system? And is it turn off and onable?

Might stick to the WagonR

And going back to my first point, without trying to turn it into another Brexit thread, why are the European Commission's ramblings of any concern to us? At least give us an optional extra of a kill switch which I believe Mazda use - from reading of the original thread and a Jeremy Clarkson Telegraph review of same, I believe

[lost in espace]

My Honda e:ny1 has it, it's fairly unobtrusive although everyone seems to be frothing at the mouth about it. However last night I tried to park up against another car and it was a total nightmare, the car wouldn't move unless you pressed the pedal hard and you though you were going to smash into the car in front. Collision avoidance madness.

[sixor8]

I've an eNy1 and parked it very close to things, I haven't had to do what you suggest.

It will creep forward like an old fashioned auto, although it does beep at you about being close. Did you have the auto brake feature on? It's handy in stop start traffic but you need to turn it off if you want to park close to anything, because every time you are stationary, it will apply the brake until you press the accelerator quite hard.

I agree that the beeping when you exceed the speed limit is only a soft triple beep.

[Pica-Pica]

Wills2 said:

I've experience this system in various BMWs coupled with lane assist it's a ruddy pain the arse so needs to be turned off but some of the BMWs I had did some very funky stuff even with it turned off it's as bad as front collision avoidance which appears to have been designed to just slam on the brakes randomly.

But this is only in BMWs and they have never worked out how to get auto sensing wipers to work so others might be better at it.

I disagree on the auto-sensing wipers. On my F30, as soon as rain shows, I just switch them on and forget.

[bimsb6]

Wills2 said:

I've experience this system in various BMWs coupled with lane assist it's a ruddy pain the arse so needs to be turned off but some of the BMWs I had did some very funky stuff even with it turned off it's as bad as front collision avoidance which appears to have been designed to just slam on the brakes randomly.

But this is only in BMWs and they have never worked out how to get auto sensing wipers to work so others might be better at it.

The lane assist is a pain when changing lane without indicating I’m amazed bmw didn’t cotton on to this .

Edited by bimsb6 on Monday 3rd June 00:34

[OldGermanHeaps]

Remappers will be loving the new revenue stream.

[Whataguy]

The speed limit warnings on new Toyotas are quite badly implemented, I’ve even heard of people rejecting a 24 car because of it.

Some manufacturers have managed to comply with the new laws but still give you a quick way to turn it off, perhaps through a quick turn of the drive mode dial.

For those with Toyotas they are having to leave the settings menu on the digital dash permanently so they can disable the system a bit quicker.

In theory speed limit tech might have sounded good to the lawmakers but it just doesn’t work due to it not knowing the correct speed limits all the time and being easily confused.

(Lane keep assist on Toyotas is actually ok, if you are holding the wheel tightly when you move over a white line without indicating nothing happens. But a loose grip will see the car take over and steer you away. It’s a semi-smart system. It’s the same if there is something blocking your lane ahead and you move out without indicating - it knows that’s what you are wanting to do. )

[Dodsy]

My 2018 jag reads road signs but not very accurately -i can slave speed limiting to the sign recognition but have it turned off for that reason plus if its limiting based on speedo its always lower.

At every speed in my jag its 3mph out so i would be doing for example 27 in a 30.

[Lil_Red_GTV]

The EU law is explicit that it can be switched off, although "information about the speed limit may still be provided". EU regulation (2019l2144) says:

"Motor vehicles shall be equipped with the following advanced vehicle systems:

(a) Intelligent speed assistance;

(...)

Intelligent speed assistance shall meet the following minimum requirements:

(a) it shall be possible for the driver to be made aware through the accelerator control, or through dedicated, appropriate and effective feedback, that the applicable speed limit is exceeded;

(b) it shall be possible to switch off the system; information about the speed limit may still be provided, and intelligent speed assistance shall be in normal operation mode upon each activation of the vehicle master control switch;

(c) the dedicated and appropriate feedback shall be based on speed limit information obtained through the observation of road signs and signals, based on infrastructure signals or electronic map data, or both, made available in-vehicle;

(d) it shall not affect the possibility, for the drivers, of exceeding the system’s prompted vehicle speed;

(e) its performance targets shall be set in order to avoid or minimise the error rate under real driving conditions."

As for the UK, presumably the UK either also thought this was a good idea for road safety reasons, and/or decided that it would be easier not to diverge from EU type approval requirements and risk complicating things for manufacturers, so it chose to apply the same standards.

[Baldchap]

I recently had an XD3 courtesy car with the beepy speed nonsense.

I'll be keeping my 2022 B5 forever I think.

[ITP]

Won’t be too long before the option to turn off the ISA will be removed. This will just be a simple ‘over the air’ update, or a system update when your car goes in for a service, or anything.
Part of the new requirements from July is that the system must send data (anonymised apparently) about many things, including how often the system is turned off, which for most is every time you get in as it automatically defaults to ‘on’. This will annoy the nannies, who will in the end just mandate ‘updates’ so the ‘off’ button is removed from the menus.
Watch how fast your car depreciates after that..

[Terminator X]

Perhaps melodramatic (moi?) but I won't be buying any new cars whilst this tech exists. Hopefully more people vote with their feet and it gets dropped after a while.

TX.

[Terminator X]

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TwigtheWonderkid said:

Every car I've owned since about 2010 has had a speed limiter. It's a good thing. Like cruise control, you choose what to set it to, and whether you set it at all. I have mine set to 85. Because on the motorway, I don't want to be creeping up above that speed inadvertently. I'll take the risk of 3 points and a fine, but I don't want to get into territory which will lead to more serious consequences.

It's your personal choice to use it how you see fit, or not use it at all.

Try reading the article.

Yep, it isn't that at all.

TX.

[Wills2]

bimsb6 said:

Wills2 said:

I've experience this system in various BMWs coupled with lane assist it's a ruddy pain the arse so needs to be turned off but some of the BMWs I had did some very funky stuff even with it turned off it's as bad as front collision avoidance which appears to have been designed to just slam on the brakes randomly.

But this is only in BMWs and they have never worked out how to get auto sensing wipers to work so others might be better at it.

The lane assist is a pain when changing lane without indicating I’m amazed bmw didn’t cotton on to this .

Putting your lame joke aside.

The biggest issue is when you're faced with a road that council has decided to festoon with white lines, parking spaces/cycle path/hatched central reservation, coupled with traffic islands and building out the pavement at minor junctions (turning a straight road into an obstacle course) the car fights almost every input you make as you try to weave your way down it, it's an appalling system.

That large pot hole that you want to go around? If your move means you'll touch the white line it'll fight your steering input, want to get a better view and road position for a corner? Yep you guessed it the steering will fight that as well, sometimes you have to make room for another drivers error it'll fight that as well, same with passing a cyclist, it's awful it's like a personal version of a smart motorway.