Pentagon plans strike-first nuclear policy
Pentagon plans strike-first nuclear policy
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ed22

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190 posts

261 months

Thursday 15th September 2005
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WASHINGTON - The Pentagon has drawn up a new strategy, built on the 2002 "Bush doctrine" of pre-emptive military strikes, that would allow the US to make first use of nuclear weapons to thwart an a WMD attack against the country.

Under the scheme, developed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff but yet to be ratified by Donald Rumsfeld, the Defence Secretary, commanders would be able to request permission from the President to use nuclear weapons in a variety of scenarios.

According to the Washington Post, one possibility is an enemy that is using, or "is about to use" weapons of mass destruction against US military forces or civilian population.


Oh boy. They sure know how to make us sleep nice and safe don't they??

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=2&ObjectID=10345189

cotty

42,244 posts

314 months

Thursday 15th September 2005
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ed22 said:
pre-emptive military strikes, that would allow the US to make first use of nuclear weapons to thwart an a WMD attack against the country.


If they act pre-emptively how do they know whether weapons are aimed at them

Alex

9,978 posts

314 months

Thursday 15th September 2005
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cotty said:

ed22 said:
pre-emptive military strikes, that would allow the US to make first use of nuclear weapons to thwart an a WMD attack against the country.



If they act pre-emptively how do they know whether weapons are aimed at them


That's the beauty of this policy; the evidence is vaporised!

ZR1cliff

17,999 posts

279 months

Thursday 15th September 2005
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Its so they can attack some one like erm,lets say erm,erm, N Korea or even Iran say,then when questioned they can say 'well we did warn them'
Weve had all this before with the cold war.

JagLover

46,778 posts

265 months

Thursday 15th September 2005
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An alternative way of looking at things is that we may be able to prevent use of WMD’s against people in the west by a pre-emptive strike.

However given the overblown claims for WMD's in Iraq it is doubtful the US could justify another invasion on the basis of intelligence, let alone a Nuclear strike.

stig

11,823 posts

314 months

Thursday 15th September 2005
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JagLover said:
An alternative way of looking at things is that we may be able to prevent use of WMD’s against people in the west by a pre-emptive strike.

However given the overblown claims for WMD's in Iraq it is doubtful the US could justify another invasion on the basis of intelligence, let alone a Nuclear strike.


Besides, 'US Intelligence' is an oxymoron.

JagLover

46,778 posts

265 months

Thursday 15th September 2005
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stig said:


Besides, 'US Intelligence' is an oxymoron.


I thought that was 'military intelligence'

alexkp

16,484 posts

274 months

Thursday 15th September 2005
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This is no suprise at all.

I would be amazed if they didn't have such a policy.

After all, it's not generally a good idea to wait until a mad dictator has actually nuked a couple of your cities before you do anything...

wolves_wanderer

12,956 posts

267 months

Thursday 15th September 2005
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anonymous said:
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People didn't mind so much when we were protected from the Soviet Union by them.

Eric Mc

125,680 posts

295 months

Thursday 15th September 2005
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I've heard that Al Quaeda plan to put chlorine in the US water supply.

Where's Stanley Kubrick when you need him?

r988

7,495 posts

259 months

Thursday 15th September 2005
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If the US wants to blow up some thrid rate country then let it go ahead, its not like anyone can stop them. Its only 1 nuclear bomb and probably a small yield as well, (they aren't THAT crazy) it will hardly bring about a nuclear winter. Even if it was North Korea and they managed to launch all 5 or so of their crappy missiles and managed to get them to the US mainland and actually hit a city without being intercepted its still not the end of the world. All that will happen is that everyone in the world will hate the US Government, and since the whole world hates the US anyway what have they got to lose?


cymtriks

4,561 posts

275 months

Thursday 15th September 2005
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That's a coincidence!

Didn't the koreans say they'd get their strike in [against the US] first aswell?

Nuggs

4,640 posts

264 months

Thursday 15th September 2005
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I suspect that a strike-second nuclear policy wouldn't be so successful...

r988

7,495 posts

259 months

Thursday 15th September 2005
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Nuggs said:
I suspect that a strike-second nuclear policy wouldn't be so successful...


only if your a tiny country like Singapore. The US could easily afford to take a hit and be able to retaliate. It'd just be like kicking a sleeping bear in the balls, he'll hurt for a few seconds, then you'll hurt a lot more before dying horribly.

AlexH

2,505 posts

314 months

Thursday 15th September 2005
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Sorry but its a complete non-news news story. They want the ability that "commanders would be able to request permission from the President to use nuclear weapons in a variety of scenarios"...whats stopping them from doing that at the moment, or anytime previously? Lazy, lazy journalism...

r988

7,495 posts

259 months

Thursday 15th September 2005
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AlexH said:
Sorry but its a complete non-news news story. They want the ability that "commanders would be able to request permission from the President to use nuclear weapons in a variety of scenarios"...whats stopping them from doing that at the moment, or anytime previously? Lazy, lazy journalism...


Well its an obscure NZ newspaper and everyone knows how much the NZers love the USA and nulcear weapons.
Still it's fairly well known now that the US has been developing 'smaller' nukes for use in tactical situation like the 'war on terror'.

nickw

85 posts

313 months

Thursday 15th September 2005
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[quote=Eric Mc I've heard that Al Quaeda plan to put chlorine in the US water supply. quote]

No thats a mistake. The agent in question was actually a bit lower in the periodic table. Its Fluoride. Al Quaeda had a global strategy to improve dental health. They planned to add fluoride to the drinking water in the US, UK, Australia, and Spain.

Bastards

>> Edited by nickw on Thursday 15th September 19:03

4WD

2,289 posts

261 months

Thursday 15th September 2005
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I assume the vaporised evidence theory makes this tactic rather appealing to USA.

I doubt it would be a cheeky little tactical strike either. It would be the full gun, or none at all. No sense even risking a possible retalliation. Any target would be entierly razed, like Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

285 months

Thursday 15th September 2005
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Oi, George...

Let's nuke France.....

Eric Mc

125,680 posts

295 months

Thursday 15th September 2005
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DDo you think that Al Quaesa are behind Colgate?