Shakey suing MSV / BSB

Shakey suing MSV / BSB

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trickywoo

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12,374 posts

238 months

Tuesday 14th May
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I see Shakey is suing MSV / BSB over his Snet crash.

The Selfish Gene

5,582 posts

218 months

Tuesday 14th May
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on what grounds?

the one years ago where he jumped off on the straight?

trickywoo

Original Poster:

12,374 posts

238 months

Tuesday 14th May
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The Selfish Gene said:
on what grounds?

the one years ago where he jumped off on the straight?
indeed.

The gist of it is that he says there should have been an air fence and not just a tyre wall where he crashed.



Timbo_S2

573 posts

271 months

Tuesday 14th May
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Remember seeing him there earlier in the day, just run out of a small van with minimal people to help.

IIRC, his crash was a bit of a freak, and he hit the tyre wall to the inside of palmers - its not a usual impact zone by any stretch of the imagination.

JimbobVFR

2,729 posts

152 months

Tuesday 14th May
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Isn't Palmers quite tight for run off being essentially hemmed in by other parts of the track on both sides?

Satellite image captured from G maps.


zeb

3,236 posts

226 months

Tuesday 14th May
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Not sure what grounds he is suing them on. Could set a dangerous precedent for the sport.

richhead

1,710 posts

19 months

Tuesday 14th May
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I also suffered life changing injuries in my 20,s arguably worse than his, i crashed at thruxton, did i sue, no, if i wanted a safe life i wouldnt have been racing bikes, its part of it, knowing you might get hurt.
While he was a great racer, i so hope he looses this case, ive worked in motorsport of various types most of my life, and have seen some horrendous things, but people riding/driving know the risks, i used to admire the guy, now have no respect for him at all.
its abit like going into a lions cage and suing when you get bitten.
hes made alot of money out of racing, why ruin it for others.
him winning would only put costs up for everyone
what a prat.

Marquezs Stabilisers

1,580 posts

69 months

Tuesday 14th May
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He'll have to prove they are negligent if so - be interested to see similar corners with similar amounts of runoff are equipped with air fences.

Snetterton is FIA Grade 3, according to Wikipedia. So are Oulton, Croft, Knockhill and Thruxton. Given the corner isn't a high speed one, coming off a bottom gear hairpin, is it reasonable to have air fences there? At the end of the two straights, and into Agostini, you could argue it, but not convinced there.


Freakuk

3,481 posts

159 months

Tuesday 14th May
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zeb said:
Not sure what grounds he is suing them on. Could set a dangerous precedent for the sport.
Probably skint, or short of a few quid now.

richhead said:
I also suffered life changing injuries in my 20,s arguably worse than his, i crashed at thruxton, did i sue, no, if i wanted a safe life i wouldnt have been racing bikes, its part of it, knowing you might get hurt.
While he was a great racer, i so hope he looses this case, ive worked in motorsport of various types most of my life, and have seen some horrendous things, but people riding/driving know the risks, i used to admire the guy, now have no respect for him at all.
its abit like going into a lions cage and suing when you get bitten.
hes made alot of money out of racing, why ruin it for others.
him winning would only put costs up for everyone
what a prat.
Have to agree with the above, no one forced him to go racing and he has seen friends/rivals hurt or worse around him for years. I guess you could ask how many other people have crashed at that corner and ended up injured, how many people have raised their concerns to MSV regarding that corner. Surely the whole circuit must meet the FIM/FIA standards so I'm not sure there's even a case here, unless I am missing something.

richhead

1,710 posts

19 months

Tuesday 14th May
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Freakuk said:
zeb said:
Not sure what grounds he is suing them on. Could set a dangerous precedent for the sport.
Probably skint, or short of a few quid now.

richhead said:
I also suffered life changing injuries in my 20,s arguably worse than his, i crashed at thruxton, did i sue, no, if i wanted a safe life i wouldnt have been racing bikes, its part of it, knowing you might get hurt.
While he was a great racer, i so hope he looses this case, ive worked in motorsport of various types most of my life, and have seen some horrendous things, but people riding/driving know the risks, i used to admire the guy, now have no respect for him at all.
its abit like going into a lions cage and suing when you get bitten.
hes made alot of money out of racing, why ruin it for others.
him winning would only put costs up for everyone
what a prat.
Have to agree with the above, no one forced him to go racing and he has seen friends/rivals hurt or worse around him for years. I guess you could ask how many other people have crashed at that corner and ended up injured, how many people have raised their concerns to MSV regarding that corner. Surely the whole circuit must meet the FIM/FIA standards so I'm not sure there's even a case here, unless I am missing something.
used to having lots of money, gifted stuff for free, now facing the reality of life and short of cash, so looking for a lump sum.
i had so much respect for him, he became something i tried to but failed, like lance armstrong, this hits me hard as an ex cyclist then bike racer, i hate everything about him now.
take john surtees for example, i knew him when his son died, he said to me, racing is dangerous.
he knew and accepted the risks and although heartbroken when his son died, he also excepted that it was a possibility.
how he can look in the mirror amazes me.


Timbo_S2

573 posts

271 months

Tuesday 14th May
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JimbobVFR said:
Isn't Palmers quite tight for run off being essentially hemmed in by other parts of the track on both sides?

Satellite image captured from G maps.

I might be mistaken, but I don't think he ran straight on and hit the barrier between palmers and turn 1. I think the rear lost grip, turned the bike 90degrees and he hit the barrier to the inside of the turn pretty much head on. A freak accident really...

trickywoo

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12,374 posts

238 months

Tuesday 14th May
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I can’t see him winning this and even if he does he looses.

I wonder if he was looking for some out of court cash and they called his bluff and here we are with some no win no fee vultures?

The Selfish Gene

5,582 posts

218 months

Tuesday 14th May
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it's a bit weird - would be interested to hear the details.

If there was supposed to be a air fence there, and it wasn't for some reason and he had raced on the assumption there was...........I kinda get it. As in first time he discovered the safety was a lower standard than he was told was when he hit it and got hurt.

However.......anything else, seems a bit odd not having much detail

epom

12,463 posts

169 months

Tuesday 14th May
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Odd, but in today’s world not all that odd. Somebody else must pay for everyone else’s misfortune or poor decisions.

Far Cough

2,335 posts

176 months

Tuesday 14th May
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trickywoo said:
I see Shakey is suing MSV / BSB over his Snet crash.
What is the source BTW ? ..........any link at all ?

cuprabob

15,747 posts

222 months

Tuesday 14th May
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Far Cough said:
trickywoo said:
I see Shakey is suing MSV / BSB over his Snet crash.
What is the source BTW ? ..........any link at all ?
Daily Mail & Express links,

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13415487/...

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1899159/shane-by...


Nick Forest

158 posts

91 months

Tuesday 14th May
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I would imagine the circuit owners and others defence is simply one of Volenti non fit injuria?

the tribester

2,614 posts

94 months

Tuesday 14th May
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zeb said:
Not sure what grounds he is suing them on. Could set a dangerous precedent for the sport.
Or it could ensure that the track, and every track, is safer to crash on, for those that follow.

srob

11,856 posts

246 months

Tuesday 14th May
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It’s a strange one. Most strange is why now? Is he skint? About to be kicked off the gravy train of following the series round?

Whilst it’s easy to say “he chose to race”, in this era you have to make reasonable effort to protect people. I’ve no idea of the ins and outs of this crash at this corner; was there previous advice to protect that barrier more etc?

From my limited experience of doing risk assessments in reasonably risky areas I’ve been surprised how everything isn’t always “you must do this or else” it’s very much, do what’s reasonable. Putting an air fence round both sides of a 3 mile long track for a domestic series isn’t reasonable to my mind. Putting it where it’s most likely needed is though.

But for me the most worrying part is that he’s suing (or trying to) 6 years on from the crash. Insurers are going to be backing away from racing at a fair pace if he’s successful which could be very bad news for the sport.

vw_99

180 posts

51 months

Tuesday 14th May
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My brother died racing at knockhill in the 1st "reverse" races in years. This following life changing injuries to another rider on a track day 2 days before.
The thought to sue never crossed mine or his wifes mind even after the track was modified and saftey mesures put in a few weeks later.