Toyota to build new combustion engines

[mersontheperson]

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Automobiles/Toyot...

Akio Toyoda, chairman of Toyota Motor, revealed on Friday that the Japanese automaker has launched a project to develop a new internal combustion engine, saying, "We will continue producing engines because they still play a role as a practical means of achieving carbon neutrality," or net-zero emissions of carbon dioxide.

Toyoda, former president and CEO of Toyota, made the remarks in an address to the Tokyo Auto Salon 2024, the world's largest exhibition of modified vehicles. The exhibition began Friday at Makuhari Messe, a huge convention center in in the city of Chiba, near Tokyo, with both Japanese and overseas manufacturers displaying sports cars and modified vehicles.

"Making engines may look like Toyota is turning back the clock on the trend" toward greenhouse gas cuts, Toyoda said, "But that is never the case. Engines are necessary for the future." Although he did not disclose details on the new project, the automaker is promoting development of new engines, including a hydrogen-fueled engine that emits no CO2.

[dcb]

JordonTucker said:

It goes against the common belief that electric cars are the only way to go green.

Indeed. We have had 120 years of infrastructure built around petrol and diesel
based transport. That isn't going to go away any time soon, whatever daft things
politicos say to try to collect votes.

Lots of infrastructure to enable most of us to use electric cars simply doesn't currently exist.
We'd have to rewire the nation to do that. That won't be cheap or happen overnite.

ICE engines are very highly developed and very much more efficient than they
used to be. 50+ mpg is common these days.

Someone somewhere just needs to find a way to make petrol and diesel
in an eco-friendly way and we are sorted and can keep existing infrastructure.

[driveaway]

dcb said:

Indeed. We have had 120 years of infrastructure built around petrol and diesel
based transport. That isn't going to go away any time soon, whatever daft things
politicos say to try to collect votes.

Lots of infrastructure to enable most of us to use electric cars simply doesn't currently exist.
We'd have to rewire the nation to do that. That won't be cheap or happen overnite.

ICE engines are very highly developed and very much more efficient than they
used to be. 50+ mpg is common these days.

Someone somewhere just needs to find a way to make petrol and diesel
in an eco-friendly way and we are sorted and can keep existing infrastructure.

Let's just remember that somewhere down the line of even electricity producing, fuel is also used...
Besides for the fact that the landfills are filling up with polluting unreliable batteries...

[Tony1963]

driveaway said:

Let's just remember that somewhere down the line of even electricity producing, fuel is also used...
Besides for the fact that the landfills are filling up with polluting unreliable batteries...

Incorrect, as far as I’m aware.

They’re recycled.

[driveaway]

Tony1963 said:

Incorrect, as far as I’m aware.

They’re recycled.

So maybe you do not know, or as you said, 'as far as i'm aware'.

In fact, the landfills are quickly filling up with toxic chemicals and gasses that result from the batteries.

[wyson]

Totally makes sense for them. They seem to be the default choice in countries without zero carbon legislation.

[ARHarh]

And by 2035 they could be the only company producing ICE units. So when consumers have realised the electric revolution is a bit of a pain if you can't afford a new car and charger. Or even have somewhere to park and charge one.

[98elise]

driveaway said:

Let's just remember that somewhere down the line of even electricity producing, fuel is also used...
Besides for the fact that the landfills are filling up with polluting unreliable batteries...

Do you have any credible evidence of "unreliable" batteries going to land fill?

Used modules have a high resale value (just check ebay) and even defective modules can be repaired. Where they are unrepairable they are recycled.

Putting them in landfill would make no sense at all.

[98elise]

driveaway said:

So maybe you do not know, or as you said, 'as far as i'm aware'.

In fact, the landfills are quickly filling up with toxic chemicals and gasses that result from the batteries.

Can you provide some evidence of this?

[Fusion777]

98elise said:

Can you provide some evidence of this?

Was going to ask the same. Too often do these types of threads bring out certain viewpoints.

[oakdale]

Sounds like the truth is the batteries are just being stockpiled because no-one knows what to do with them.

It's quite worrying that the EV project wasn't thought through properly at the start.
https://www.futuretracker.com/post/electric-vehicl...

[98elise]

oakdale said:

Sounds like the truth is the batteries are just being stockpiled because no-one knows what to do with them.

It's quite worrying that the EV project wasn't thought through properly at the start.
https://www.futuretracker.com/post/electric-vehicl...

And at the same time if you want to buy a second hand battery pack they are very expensive. Why would they be stockpiled or go to land fill when they have value in the second hand market?

I looked at going my own EV conversion as a project and the cost of second hand batteries was the biggest issue. If any of you can point me to where they are sticking them in land fill I'll happily take them for free!

This is a typical advert for second hand Tesla modules (£900 each)...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/276432903377?itmmeta=01...

That's for each module, not the whole battery pack.

Edited by 98elise on Sunday 30th June 12:28

[driveaway]

Fusion777 said:

Was going to ask the same. Too often do these types of threads bring out certain viewpoints.

98elise said:

Do you have any credible evidence of "unreliable" batteries going to land fill?

Used modules have a high resale value (just check ebay) and even defective modules can be repaired. Where they are unrepairable they are recycled.

Putting them in landfill would make no sense at all.

I am not about to go over to the nearest landfill sight to go get pictures (no i am not that bored) but I know because people who work at landfill sites have said so.

The batteries being resold on ebay etc that you mention, will almost always be either salvaged undamaged batteries from crashes, someone who decided to change theirs (for whatever reason ), from auctions etc...

[driveaway]

98elise said:

And at the same time if you want to buy a second hand battery pack they are very expensive. Why would they be stockpiled or go to land fill when they have value in the second hand market?

I looked at going my own EV conversion as a project and the cost of second hand batteries was the biggest issue. If any of you can point me to where they are sticking them in land fill I'll happily take them for free!

This is a typical advert for second hand Tesla modules (£900 each)...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/276432903377?itmmeta=01...

That's for each module, not the whole battery pack.

Edited by 98elise on Sunday 30th June 12:28

I am not sure you want to. Usually if something is dumped in a landfill, there will be a reason for it....

[98elise]

driveaway said:

Fusion777 said:

Was going to ask the same. Too often do these types of threads bring out certain viewpoints.

98elise said:

Do you have any credible evidence of "unreliable" batteries going to land fill?

Used modules have a high resale value (just check ebay) and even defective modules can be repaired. Where they are unrepairable they are recycled.

Putting them in landfill would make no sense at all.

I am not about to go over to the nearest landfill sight to go get pictures (no i am not that bored) but I know because people who work at landfill sites have said so.

The batteries being resold on ebay etc that you mention, will almost always be either salvaged undamaged batteries from crashes, someone who decided to change theirs (for whatever reason ), from auctions etc...

Can you name the landfills that are filling up with toxic batteries?

It's illegal under the Waste Batteries and Accumulators Regulations 2009.

Edited by 98elise on Monday 1st July 08:41

[98elise]

driveaway said:

98elise said:

And at the same time if you want to buy a second hand battery pack they are very expensive. Why would they be stockpiled or go to land fill when they have value in the second hand market?

I looked at going my own EV conversion as a project and the cost of second hand batteries was the biggest issue. If any of you can point me to where they are sticking them in land fill I'll happily take them for free!

This is a typical advert for second hand Tesla modules (£900 each)...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/276432903377?itmmeta=01...

That's for each module, not the whole battery pack.

Edited by 98elise on Sunday 30th June 12:28

I am not sure you want to. Usually if something is dumped in a landfill, there will be a reason for it....

Why wouldn't I want to? I've dealt with way more serious things than a broken battery.

Most can be split down to module and cell level (for selling on) and those cells that are defective can be recycled (they have value). There is no reason for a battery to ended up in landfill.

You only have to watch Rich Rebuilds on YouTube to see how easy it is

https://youtu.be/ZZVVRKxHyHg?si=JugbZa9IbVstMw9u

He has stripped them, rebuilt, and repurposed battery packs and he's just a bloke tinkering with cars on YouTube.

I'll happily take a tesla battery for free instead of it going to landfill. I'd have the parts on ebay by the end of the week!

Edited by 98elise on Monday 1st July 09:27

[Super Sonic]

driveaway said:

I am not about to go over to the nearest landfill sight to go get pictures (no i am not that bored) but I know becaus a man at the pub said so..

Ftfy