A possible sprint solution

[ivanhoew]

Reading a fair bit about how the F1 circus are discussing the sprint format ,

Suggestions of a reverse grid ,based on the shootout ,don't really make much sense , i'd imagine everyone trying to be behind everyone else ,


Something that occurred to me is , how about one qualifying , like a normal non sprint race weekend , but on the Saturday morning , then the sprint in the afternoon using a reverse of the morning qually positions .?


This way , they are still going to try to win in the qually, because its deciding the main race on Sunday start positions , which has by far the most points , and its gives us the fun of watching them all try to get through the pack on Saturday .


regards
robert.

[Tyre Tread]

Anything that reverses positions from any sort of result is a big turn off for me and one of the reasons I stopped watching BTCC.

[stevemcs]

Isn’t the question what are they going to do about Sunday races as the sprints are far better than Sundays where it’s about tyre management and not racing

[StevieBee]

F1 is and should always be a meritocracy. Any artificial jeopardy inserted into proceedings (such as reversing grid positions) devalues the technical and sporting spirit for the Formula.

I've said it many times; F1 can be entertaining but should never be entertainment for the sake of it.

The only thing that could possibly be used to shake the normal order up is to do away with qualifying altogether and use bingo balls to determine grid positions. But this removes a principal challenge of the sport that can sometimes be as intriguing as the race.

[WPA]

They should have 1st practice as normal on Friday, then the sprint race based on championship positions.

Saturday 2nd practice then qualifying.

Not sure on the points, F1 want to put them up which seems a bad move so why not have a separate sprint race championship maybe.

[SmoothCriminal]

Mandatory pit stop.

2 brand new sets of softs given before race start.

One for race start.

One for pit stop.

[geeks]

First practice Friday AM
Parc Ferme active
Sprint qualy Friday PM
Sprint race Saturday AM
Parc Ferme released
Parc Ferme active for
Main Race qualy Saturday PM
Main race Sunday

That’s my thoughts. If we are going to give them two bites at the cherry might as well make it worthwhile. Points adjusted for Sprint race to top 10 as well.

[PlywoodPascal]

StevieBee said:

F1 is and should always be a meritocracy. Any artificial jeopardy inserted into proceedings (such as reversing grid positions) devalues the technical and sporting spirit for the Formula.

I've said it many times; F1 can be entertaining but should never be entertainment for the sake of it.

The only thing that could possibly be used to shake the normal order up is to do away with qualifying altogether and use bingo balls to determine grid positions. But this removes a principal challenge of the sport that can sometimes be as intriguing as the race.

Replace the word F1 in your post with “Grand Prix” and I agree.,
I don’t have an issue with there being a second type of F1 race as long as it has nothing to do with the F1 Grand Prix WDC.

[Frimley111R]

I don't really understand where this came from. There's nothing to say what isn't working. Seems like a news story about nothing.

[Muzzer79]

Just bin the whole sprint thing off

It doesn’t work with the cost cap, car concept and general format.

I think there’s been one or two decent ones, the rest have been st.

[geeks]

Muzzer79 said:

Just bin the whole sprint thing off

It doesn’t work with the cost cap, car concept and general format.

I think there’s been one or two decent ones, the rest have been st.

I’d rather sprints over practice sessions

[geeks]

Frimley111R said:

I don't really understand where this came from. There's nothing to say what isn't working. Seems like a news story about nothing.

The whole Friday qualy for Sundays race is the bit that isn’t working

[Frimley111R]

geeks said:

Frimley111R said:

I don't really understand where this came from. There's nothing to say what isn't working. Seems like a news story about nothing.

The whole Friday qualy for Sundays race is the bit that isn’t working

What? What isn't working, there's no specifics on any of this.

[geeks]

Frimley111R said:

geeks said:

Frimley111R said:

I don't really understand where this came from. There's nothing to say what isn't working. Seems like a news story about nothing.

The whole Friday qualy for Sundays race is the bit that isn’t working

What? What isn't working, there's no specifics on any of this.

Then you haven’t been paying attention

[Frimley111R]

geeks said:

Frimley111R said:

geeks said:

Frimley111R said:

I don't really understand where this came from. There's nothing to say what isn't working. Seems like a news story about nothing.

The whole Friday qualy for Sundays race is the bit that isn’t working

What? What isn't working, there's no specifics on any of this.

Then you haven’t been paying attention

Your inability to identify what isn't working indicates that 'not working' simply means 'not liking'. Story about nothing at all.

[ivanhoew]

I was basing this on the media reports that the drivers and some managers are saying it needs changing or "tuning" ,

and also that the f1 owning people are saying its going to stay ,

so trying to find a middle ground that addressed the objections about reverse grids etc .

[thegreenhell]

Apparently the circuits have to pay a lot more to host a sprint weekend, and the promotor of COTA was reported to say after last week that he wouldn't bother doing it again because Saturday attendance was down this year compared to last, so he was paying more to get lower ticket returns.

[geeks]

Frimley111R said:

geeks said:

Frimley111R said:

geeks said:

Frimley111R said:

I don't really understand where this came from. There's nothing to say what isn't working. Seems like a news story about nothing.

The whole Friday qualy for Sundays race is the bit that isn’t working

What? What isn't working, there's no specifics on any of this.

Then you haven’t been paying attention

Your inability to identify what isn't working indicates that 'not working' simply means 'not liking'. Story about nothing at all.

I told you what wasn't working. The teams, drivers, pundits, promoters and fans all agree they mostly like the sprints but the format of a sprint weekend is wrong, namely that the qualy session you watch on Friday is for Sunday, then you qualy again Saturday morning for the sprint on Saturday afternoon. This is what I meant by you haven't been paying attention.

[TikTak]

I don't mind the sprints but it does need some tweaking.

I don't think there is a solution that doesn't have some compromise, whether that's how it's scheduled or how it affects the teams we will wait to see but it's probably going to be the former.

I like having the Sprint Quali and Sprint Race on the same day. It packages it all up nice into one quick thing that gets done but it screws the timetable with GP quali on Fridays unless we start dropping quali sessions for things like race finish orders or reverse grid.

Those are quite unpopular and I've always disliked this Q1, Q2, Q3 format so I'd personally bring back one-shot for sprint and a short timed old skool session for the GP.

Fri - Practice (Parc Ferme Active)
Sat - Sprint One-Shot Quali / Sprint Race (Parc Ferme Close)
Sun - (Parc Ferme Active) Quali / Grand Prix

I'll wait for the burns/criticism ...

[redrog]

I think they should just sack off F1 on Fridays and give everyone an extra days rest.

Instead…….make Friday “Drivers Day” which is the day they do all their media commitments, and interacting with the crowd etc. But also…….get a local single car formula in, the more eclectic the better, and put the drivers in random cars for a qualy session and a race. No pits, no repairs you go with what you have. Mic them up for fun. You could even put some local ex F1 heroes in for giggles. Make it a separate championship and let’s see who copes best.

Saturday- Extended FP1 and Qualy
Sunday- Race

Who’s with me?

Edited by redrog on Monday 6th November 15:35