Time to change regulation to slow Red Bull?
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As the title suggests, is it time to slow Red Bull down
Christian Horner has called for it in previous years when Mercedes were dominating
https://www.motorsportweek.com/2015/03/15/10008/
Lewis has started calling for it now
https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12911762/l...
Personally my interest in F1 is waning due to Max and Red Bull's dominance.
I assume Max fans would like to keep it as it is but wouldn't you like another battle like 2021?
Christian Horner has called for it in previous years when Mercedes were dominating
https://www.motorsportweek.com/2015/03/15/10008/
Lewis has started calling for it now
https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12911762/l...
Personally my interest in F1 is waning due to Max and Red Bull's dominance.
I assume Max fans would like to keep it as it is but wouldn't you like another battle like 2021?
Absolutely not, in my opinion
We are only 1.5 seasons into Red Bull ‘dominance’
We’ve seen this year that a team can make great strides forward (Aston Martin, McLaren)
It is up to the other teams to do better, not Red Bull to slow down.
Final point is also endorsed by Toto Wolff and Fred Vasseur
(I’m not a Red Bull fan)
We are only 1.5 seasons into Red Bull ‘dominance’
We’ve seen this year that a team can make great strides forward (Aston Martin, McLaren)
It is up to the other teams to do better, not Red Bull to slow down.
Final point is also endorsed by Toto Wolff and Fred Vasseur
(I’m not a Red Bull fan)
zsdom said:
How would they do that though, if you change the regs the whole grid will be affected.
What does RB do that the other teams dont?
I’m no fan by any means but from my (limited) understanding RB does nothing that the other teams arent doing it just does it better
What does RB do that the other teams dont?
I’m no fan by any means but from my (limited) understanding RB does nothing that the other teams arent doing it just does it better
They could do a reset, back to the 22 rules with a few tweaks, but this time rigidity enforce them
Firstly, to make things clear, I'm not a fan of Max, or Horner, or Red Bull in general. As a British national I support the British drivers and as a petrolhead I support Ferrari off the back of my passion for their road cars.
However, no, I don't think we should change the regulations to slow Red Bull. F1 is a sporting and technical competition and Red Bull, with Max, are currently doing the best job. It's up to the rest to do better and catch up.
I'm sure people were bored when Ferrari (with Michael) or Mercedes (with Lewis) were dominating. I was bored when Senna was wining everything that I wanted Mansell to win. That's just the way the cookie crumbles. In a way, the anticipation of wondering what will happen to topple Red Bull from the top step of the podium is making the whole parade increasingly engaging for me.
However, no, I don't think we should change the regulations to slow Red Bull. F1 is a sporting and technical competition and Red Bull, with Max, are currently doing the best job. It's up to the rest to do better and catch up.
I'm sure people were bored when Ferrari (with Michael) or Mercedes (with Lewis) were dominating. I was bored when Senna was wining everything that I wanted Mansell to win. That's just the way the cookie crumbles. In a way, the anticipation of wondering what will happen to topple Red Bull from the top step of the podium is making the whole parade increasingly engaging for me.
MitchT said:
Firstly, to make things clear, I'm not a fan of Max, or Horner, or Red Bull in general. As a British national I support the British drivers and as a petrolhead I support Ferrari off the back of my passion for their road cars.
However, no, I don't think we should change the regulations to slow Red Bull. F1 is a sporting and technical competition and Red Bull, with Max, are currently doing the best job. It's up to the rest to do better and catch up.
I'm sure people were bored when Ferrari (with Michael) or Mercedes (with Lewis) were dominating. I was bored when Senna was wining everything that I wanted Mansell to win. That's just the way the cookie crumbles. In a way, the anticipation of wondering what will happen to topple Red Bull from the top step of the podium is making the whole parade increasingly engaging for me.
Apart from the final sentence, this reflects my thinking. I'm a Merc fan and have supported Lewis Hamilton for many years (along with Jenson Button and Damon Hill before that) and I'd like anyone except Red Bull (and Verstappen specifically) to be winning, but accept that's just how it is at the moment.However, no, I don't think we should change the regulations to slow Red Bull. F1 is a sporting and technical competition and Red Bull, with Max, are currently doing the best job. It's up to the rest to do better and catch up.
I'm sure people were bored when Ferrari (with Michael) or Mercedes (with Lewis) were dominating. I was bored when Senna was wining everything that I wanted Mansell to win. That's just the way the cookie crumbles. In a way, the anticipation of wondering what will happen to topple Red Bull from the top step of the podium is making the whole parade increasingly engaging for me.
Unlike the above poster, however, I have much less interest in watching F1 at the moment as a result of the Red Bull dominance. I haven't watched it live for years due to not having Sky but would watch the C4 coverage religiously. Whereas I'd previously make a point of avoiding news coverage/BBC website where I might see the results, I now check them to see whether it's worth watching the highlights or not. I've only watched a few races this season and even fewer qualifying sessions.
If RB had two drivers like Perez then the gap would look small to the rest and there would have been (probably) a variety of constructors winning.
These conversations probably would not be happening.
It’s one of those years where driver (obvs Max), car and team are performing incredibly well at every race weekend.
No doubt that can change incredibly quickly.
I think it should be applauded that A.N. and his team have smashed the car design for who is perceived by many as the fastest driver.
If we still had the 21 rules, there is no saying the RB wouldn’t be dominating now anyway.
I’m not sure how Toto and his clueless clan have got if so wrong.
These conversations probably would not be happening.
It’s one of those years where driver (obvs Max), car and team are performing incredibly well at every race weekend.
No doubt that can change incredibly quickly.
I think it should be applauded that A.N. and his team have smashed the car design for who is perceived by many as the fastest driver.
If we still had the 21 rules, there is no saying the RB wouldn’t be dominating now anyway.
I’m not sure how Toto and his clueless clan have got if so wrong.
Adrian W said:
They could do a reset, back to the 22 rules with a few tweaks, but this time rigidity enforce them
Rediculous idea.
It's a competition, a team ,driver or manufacturer has to come first ,second third and all the other places. Everyone has to follow the same rules. If Haas were winning most weekends now ,most would say well done . Mercedes, McLaren, Williams etc have all had there turns . It RB turn for now.
It's a competition, a team ,driver or manufacturer has to come first ,second third and all the other places. Everyone has to follow the same rules. If Haas were winning most weekends now ,most would say well done . Mercedes, McLaren, Williams etc have all had there turns . It RB turn for now.
cliffords said:
Rediculous idea.
It's a competition, a team ,driver or manufacturer has to come first ,second third and all the other places. Everyone has to follow the same rules. If Haas were winning most weekends now ,most would say well done . Mercedes, McLaren, Williams etc have all had there turns . It RB turn for now.
But it has happened in the past, rules were changed to slow Merc, party modes etcIt's a competition, a team ,driver or manufacturer has to come first ,second third and all the other places. Everyone has to follow the same rules. If Haas were winning most weekends now ,most would say well done . Mercedes, McLaren, Williams etc have all had there turns . It RB turn for now.
Daft idea - although that's not to say there isn't commercial value sufficient for the powers that be to consider how to shake things up..
The entire point of F1 is to hold a global competition each year to see which team can get the best combo of car and driver to win. If the same team does the best job for 3 years, or 15 years, they should win. Otherwise, what is the point of it all?? It's not a competition if all teams 'get a go' at winning via targeted rule changes.
The entire point of F1 is to hold a global competition each year to see which team can get the best combo of car and driver to win. If the same team does the best job for 3 years, or 15 years, they should win. Otherwise, what is the point of it all?? It's not a competition if all teams 'get a go' at winning via targeted rule changes.
wevster said:
cliffords said:
Rediculous idea.
It's a competition, a team ,driver or manufacturer has to come first ,second third and all the other places. Everyone has to follow the same rules. If Haas were winning most weekends now ,most would say well done . Mercedes, McLaren, Williams etc have all had there turns . It RB turn for now.
But it has happened in the past, rules were changed to slow Merc, party modes etcIt's a competition, a team ,driver or manufacturer has to come first ,second third and all the other places. Everyone has to follow the same rules. If Haas were winning most weekends now ,most would say well done . Mercedes, McLaren, Williams etc have all had there turns . It RB turn for now.
How do you target a rule change at one team if they're not doing anything specifically that can be targeted compared to other teams? What if you change the rules and they are still winning because they're simply doing a better job? The only way to do it would be through some BOP type formula, and nobody is going to vote for that.
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