Time to change regulation to slow Red Bull?

Time to change regulation to slow Red Bull?

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wevster

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785 posts

163 months

Sunday 10th September 2023
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As the title suggests, is it time to slow Red Bull down

Christian Horner has called for it in previous years when Mercedes were dominating

https://www.motorsportweek.com/2015/03/15/10008/

Lewis has started calling for it now

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12911762/l...

Personally my interest in F1 is waning due to Max and Red Bull's dominance.

I assume Max fans would like to keep it as it is but wouldn't you like another battle like 2021?


Muzzer79

10,847 posts

193 months

Sunday 10th September 2023
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Absolutely not, in my opinion

We are only 1.5 seasons into Red Bull ‘dominance’

We’ve seen this year that a team can make great strides forward (Aston Martin, McLaren)

It is up to the other teams to do better, not Red Bull to slow down.

Final point is also endorsed by Toto Wolff and Fred Vasseur

(I’m not a Red Bull fan)

zsdom

1,025 posts

126 months

Sunday 10th September 2023
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How would they do that though, if you change the regs the whole grid will be affected.

What does RB do that the other teams dont?

I’m no fan by any means but from my (limited) understanding RB does nothing that the other teams arent doing it just does it better

Adrian W

14,329 posts

234 months

Sunday 10th September 2023
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zsdom said:
How would they do that though, if you change the regs the whole grid will be affected.

What does RB do that the other teams dont?

I’m no fan by any means but from my (limited) understanding RB does nothing that the other teams arent doing it just does it better

They could do a reset, back to the 22 rules with a few tweaks, but this time rigidity enforce them

stevemcs

8,936 posts

99 months

Sunday 10th September 2023
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Nope, I notice Lewis didn't call for it when he was winning. Its just how F1 is.

PhilAsia

4,504 posts

81 months

Sunday 10th September 2023
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I don't feel it is necessary, but I am sure those that were clamouring for Merc to be slowed down between 2014-2020 would agree.

Maybe hack the RBR's bodywork apart like they did to Merc in 2021? smile

MitchT

16,159 posts

215 months

Sunday 10th September 2023
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Firstly, to make things clear, I'm not a fan of Max, or Horner, or Red Bull in general. As a British national I support the British drivers and as a petrolhead I support Ferrari off the back of my passion for their road cars.

However, no, I don't think we should change the regulations to slow Red Bull. F1 is a sporting and technical competition and Red Bull, with Max, are currently doing the best job. It's up to the rest to do better and catch up.

I'm sure people were bored when Ferrari (with Michael) or Mercedes (with Lewis) were dominating. I was bored when Senna was wining everything that I wanted Mansell to win. That's just the way the cookie crumbles. In a way, the anticipation of wondering what will happen to topple Red Bull from the top step of the podium is making the whole parade increasingly engaging for me.

Jasandjules

70,417 posts

235 months

Sunday 10th September 2023
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Sadly not.

moorx

3,775 posts

120 months

Sunday 10th September 2023
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MitchT said:
Firstly, to make things clear, I'm not a fan of Max, or Horner, or Red Bull in general. As a British national I support the British drivers and as a petrolhead I support Ferrari off the back of my passion for their road cars.

However, no, I don't think we should change the regulations to slow Red Bull. F1 is a sporting and technical competition and Red Bull, with Max, are currently doing the best job. It's up to the rest to do better and catch up.

I'm sure people were bored when Ferrari (with Michael) or Mercedes (with Lewis) were dominating. I was bored when Senna was wining everything that I wanted Mansell to win. That's just the way the cookie crumbles. In a way, the anticipation of wondering what will happen to topple Red Bull from the top step of the podium is making the whole parade increasingly engaging for me.
Apart from the final sentence, this reflects my thinking. I'm a Merc fan and have supported Lewis Hamilton for many years (along with Jenson Button and Damon Hill before that) and I'd like anyone except Red Bull (and Verstappen specifically) to be winning, but accept that's just how it is at the moment.

Unlike the above poster, however, I have much less interest in watching F1 at the moment as a result of the Red Bull dominance. I haven't watched it live for years due to not having Sky but would watch the C4 coverage religiously. Whereas I'd previously make a point of avoiding news coverage/BBC website where I might see the results, I now check them to see whether it's worth watching the highlights or not. I've only watched a few races this season and even fewer qualifying sessions.

Orchardab

472 posts

132 months

Sunday 10th September 2023
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If RB had two drivers like Perez then the gap would look small to the rest and there would have been (probably) a variety of constructors winning.

These conversations probably would not be happening.

It’s one of those years where driver (obvs Max), car and team are performing incredibly well at every race weekend.
No doubt that can change incredibly quickly.

I think it should be applauded that A.N. and his team have smashed the car design for who is perceived by many as the fastest driver.

If we still had the 21 rules, there is no saying the RB wouldn’t be dominating now anyway.

I’m not sure how Toto and his clueless clan have got if so wrong.

Bas Jaski

483 posts

199 months

Sunday 10th September 2023
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Adrian W said:

They could do a reset, back to the 22 rules with a few tweaks, but this time rigidity enforce them
I think you'll find if we reset the rules to 2022 ''and rigidity enforce them'', it'll be another complete walk over. It was Ferrari (the team I support) that bend the rules, not Red Bull.



MustangGT

12,042 posts

286 months

Sunday 10th September 2023
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stevemcs said:
Nope, I notice Lewis didn't call for it when he was winning. Its just how F1 is.
Don't notice much then. Lewis called for it on multiple occasions in multiple years.

2 sMoKiN bArReLs

30,492 posts

241 months

Sunday 10th September 2023
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More equal racing is a great spectacle for the fans.

Maybe a handicap (more weight or less electric help) based on race results wouldn't be such a bad thing? Or, ask Max to tow a caravan & stop for a fry up half way round?

cliffords

1,716 posts

29 months

Sunday 10th September 2023
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Rediculous idea.
It's a competition, a team ,driver or manufacturer has to come first ,second third and all the other places. Everyone has to follow the same rules. If Haas were winning most weekends now ,most would say well done . Mercedes, McLaren, Williams etc have all had there turns . It RB turn for now.

wevster

Original Poster:

785 posts

163 months

Sunday 10th September 2023
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cliffords said:
Rediculous idea.
It's a competition, a team ,driver or manufacturer has to come first ,second third and all the other places. Everyone has to follow the same rules. If Haas were winning most weekends now ,most would say well done . Mercedes, McLaren, Williams etc have all had there turns . It RB turn for now.
But it has happened in the past, rules were changed to slow Merc, party modes etc

TheDeuce

24,349 posts

72 months

Sunday 10th September 2023
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Daft idea - although that's not to say there isn't commercial value sufficient for the powers that be to consider how to shake things up..

The entire point of F1 is to hold a global competition each year to see which team can get the best combo of car and driver to win. If the same team does the best job for 3 years, or 15 years, they should win. Otherwise, what is the point of it all?? It's not a competition if all teams 'get a go' at winning via targeted rule changes.

cliffords

1,716 posts

29 months

Sunday 10th September 2023
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wevster said:
cliffords said:
Rediculous idea.
It's a competition, a team ,driver or manufacturer has to come first ,second third and all the other places. Everyone has to follow the same rules. If Haas were winning most weekends now ,most would say well done . Mercedes, McLaren, Williams etc have all had there turns . It RB turn for now.
But it has happened in the past, rules were changed to slow Merc, party modes etc
It was rediculous if it happened in the past and would also be if it happened again . It's such a worthless end of motoracing now , clinging on to it's drying throws, who cares what happens next .Less and less people find in relevant or interesting and rule changes are only ever there to try and increase the audience.Its an utter circus .

thegreenhell

16,811 posts

225 months

Sunday 10th September 2023
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How do you target a rule change at one team if they're not doing anything specifically that can be targeted compared to other teams? What if you change the rules and they are still winning because they're simply doing a better job? The only way to do it would be through some BOP type formula, and nobody is going to vote for that.

Piginapoke

4,954 posts

191 months

Sunday 10th September 2023
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No, this is the point of F1- excellence.

Also, look at the 2021 rule change to ride height, aimed at slowing Red Bull. This only had the effect of slowing Mercedes and Ferrari.

2 sMoKiN bArReLs

30,492 posts

241 months

Sunday 10th September 2023
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Probably the most popular & successful racing series in the UK is the BTCC.

To add to the entertainment (and at the end of the day that's what motorsport is) they use a number of mix it up strategies.