F82 M4 potential purchase
Discussion
Afternoon all,
I'm looking at purchasing an F82 M4 (or possibly an M3 of similar age).
Currently own an M240i I've had a little over 3 years which has been a superb car and touch wood very reliable, it will get traded in against the next car.
So I'm looking mainly at M4s, I've got a budget of 30k, 32 at absolute max Inc the trade in. I've been looking at cars around 2016 with under 50k miles as I plan to keep this car a long time, it will be a daily.
I've now got the cash in place ready to go.
I've read buyers guides and most seem to say the Comp models are personal preference, I love the 20 inch wheels but otherwise not overly fussed.
The one concern for me is the crank bolt issue, I've read it seems to affect mainly remapped cars and was sorted on 2016 onwards models but im aware if I buy a 16 plate car it could still be an earlier build.
What's the view of M car owners, is it something to be worried about and protected against?
Also can anyone offer any advice on other things to look out for when viewing these cars?
Many thanks
I'm looking at purchasing an F82 M4 (or possibly an M3 of similar age).
Currently own an M240i I've had a little over 3 years which has been a superb car and touch wood very reliable, it will get traded in against the next car.
So I'm looking mainly at M4s, I've got a budget of 30k, 32 at absolute max Inc the trade in. I've been looking at cars around 2016 with under 50k miles as I plan to keep this car a long time, it will be a daily.
I've now got the cash in place ready to go.
I've read buyers guides and most seem to say the Comp models are personal preference, I love the 20 inch wheels but otherwise not overly fussed.
The one concern for me is the crank bolt issue, I've read it seems to affect mainly remapped cars and was sorted on 2016 onwards models but im aware if I buy a 16 plate car it could still be an earlier build.
What's the view of M car owners, is it something to be worried about and protected against?
Also can anyone offer any advice on other things to look out for when viewing these cars?
Many thanks
I'm not that knowledgeable about the M4, but if the car's unmodified, regularly serviced and sympathetically driven, i.e. not red lined when it's stone cold, then I doubt the rod bolts would be much of an issue.
I saw this one on the BMW website which is just under your upper budget, that'll have the 12 month BMW Approved Used warranty on it which takes care of any worries about mechanical problems.
https://usedcars.bmw.co.uk/vehicle/202307219913509...
I saw this one on the BMW website which is just under your upper budget, that'll have the 12 month BMW Approved Used warranty on it which takes care of any worries about mechanical problems.
https://usedcars.bmw.co.uk/vehicle/202307219913509...
I believe that the crank hub issue affects all S55s. Why BMW didn't just use a Woodruff key is anyone's guess.
It's a few K to get done iirc. Standard cars seem to be ok, unless it's manual and you accidentally hit the money shot.
The Comp is the one to have apparently, the power delivery is less spikey from what I have read.
Stay pre 2019, they fitted an opf and made the cars sound even worse!
It's a few K to get done iirc. Standard cars seem to be ok, unless it's manual and you accidentally hit the money shot.
The Comp is the one to have apparently, the power delivery is less spikey from what I have read.
Stay pre 2019, they fitted an opf and made the cars sound even worse!
Thanks for the replies,
I am very tempted to go for an approved used from a main dealer and paying the premium for piece of mind, have seen a couple in South Yorkshire which are the closest to me currently being in Leeds but not quite the colour and interior combo i'm looking for so i'm going to hold on for the right one.
I'll definitely be going for a DCT transmission on whatever I get, current car is a manual.
I am very tempted to go for an approved used from a main dealer and paying the premium for piece of mind, have seen a couple in South Yorkshire which are the closest to me currently being in Leeds but not quite the colour and interior combo i'm looking for so i'm going to hold on for the right one.
I'll definitely be going for a DCT transmission on whatever I get, current car is a manual.
Crank Hub affects all cars but it's pretty rare on standard power.
I bought a high spec facelift (2017) non-comp a couple of years back, sub 30k miles and paid 32k. The facelift remedies the spikey power delivery of the earlier non-comps.
Personally, for me the facelift non-comp is the one to go for (17 plate) as you skip out the OPF filter, meaning it's loud, but you also don't get stung with the higher road tax rate - also has the newest version of Idrive that the F82 received. Non comp is slightly less crashy as the 19 inch 437m have more tyre sidewall and are cheaper to replace. I live in Scotland and the road surfaces are pants, so the non-comp suited me better.
Don't get me wrong through, the comp wheels look lovely and most non-comps are standard colours, mine was black with orange leather which is maybe a little boring. The comp seats look better too!
If I was doing it again (which I am considering) it'll be another non-comp of the same vintage but hopefully in an Individual colour.
Worth noting, the turbo seals issue is probably more prominent than the crank hub. The turbo seals can fail at any mileage really but usually 40k onwards. You'd notice increasing oil consumption and a little smoke from the exhaust. You can have recon turbos fitted on an exchange basis but it's also about 2k all in I believe. It's largely dependent on how the car's been driven, if it's seen boost regularly before properly up to temp then it's detrimental to the turbo seals.
I bought a high spec facelift (2017) non-comp a couple of years back, sub 30k miles and paid 32k. The facelift remedies the spikey power delivery of the earlier non-comps.
Personally, for me the facelift non-comp is the one to go for (17 plate) as you skip out the OPF filter, meaning it's loud, but you also don't get stung with the higher road tax rate - also has the newest version of Idrive that the F82 received. Non comp is slightly less crashy as the 19 inch 437m have more tyre sidewall and are cheaper to replace. I live in Scotland and the road surfaces are pants, so the non-comp suited me better.
Don't get me wrong through, the comp wheels look lovely and most non-comps are standard colours, mine was black with orange leather which is maybe a little boring. The comp seats look better too!
If I was doing it again (which I am considering) it'll be another non-comp of the same vintage but hopefully in an Individual colour.
Worth noting, the turbo seals issue is probably more prominent than the crank hub. The turbo seals can fail at any mileage really but usually 40k onwards. You'd notice increasing oil consumption and a little smoke from the exhaust. You can have recon turbos fitted on an exchange basis but it's also about 2k all in I believe. It's largely dependent on how the car's been driven, if it's seen boost regularly before properly up to temp then it's detrimental to the turbo seals.
Edited by Hammy98 on Friday 8th September 09:00
Hammy98 said:
Crank Hub affects all cars but it's pretty rare on standard power.
I bought a high spec facelift (2017) non-comp a couple of years back, sub 30k miles and paid 32k. The facelift remedies the spikey power delivery of the earlier non-comps.
Personally, for me the facelift non-comp is the one to go for (17 plate) as you skip out the OPF filter, meaning it's loud, but you also don't get stung with the higher road tax rate - also has the newest version of Idrive that the F82 received. Non comp is slightly less crashy as the 19 inch 437m have more tyre sidewall and are cheaper to replace. I live in Scotland and the road surfaces are pants, so the non-comp suited me better.
Don't get me wrong through, the comp wheels look lovely and most non-comps are standard colours, mine was black with orange leather which is maybe a little boring. The comp seats look better too!
If I was doing it again (which I am considering) it'll be another non-comp of the same vintage but hopefully in an Individual colour.
Worth noting, the turbo seals issue is probably more prominent than the crank hub. The turbo seals can fail at any mileage really but usually 40k onwards. You'd notice increasing oil consumption and a little smoke from the exhaust. You can have recon turbos fitted on an exchange basis but it's also about 2k all in I believe. It's largely dependent on how the car's been driven, if it's seen boost regularly before properly up to temp then it's detrimental to the turbo seals.
Thanks for the reply, Black with orange leather sounds like a very nice combination, definitely a combination i'd look at myself, the majority i've seen currently are white with a couple of Lapis blue ones, I do like white but a mate has one in the same colour so i'm discounting that currently. I bought a high spec facelift (2017) non-comp a couple of years back, sub 30k miles and paid 32k. The facelift remedies the spikey power delivery of the earlier non-comps.
Personally, for me the facelift non-comp is the one to go for (17 plate) as you skip out the OPF filter, meaning it's loud, but you also don't get stung with the higher road tax rate - also has the newest version of Idrive that the F82 received. Non comp is slightly less crashy as the 19 inch 437m have more tyre sidewall and are cheaper to replace. I live in Scotland and the road surfaces are pants, so the non-comp suited me better.
Don't get me wrong through, the comp wheels look lovely and most non-comps are standard colours, mine was black with orange leather which is maybe a little boring. The comp seats look better too!
If I was doing it again (which I am considering) it'll be another non-comp of the same vintage but hopefully in an Individual colour.
Worth noting, the turbo seals issue is probably more prominent than the crank hub. The turbo seals can fail at any mileage really but usually 40k onwards. You'd notice increasing oil consumption and a little smoke from the exhaust. You can have recon turbos fitted on an exchange basis but it's also about 2k all in I believe. It's largely dependent on how the car's been driven, if it's seen boost regularly before properly up to temp then it's detrimental to the turbo seals.
Edited by Hammy98 on Friday 8th September 09:00
The blue i'm not sure about, it's a bit shouty for my tastes.
Black or grey are the preferred options, my current 240i is grey so i'd prefer black but I wouldn't rule grey out again.
I'll be interested to see how this pans-out. I'd love an F82 M4 (69 reg comp ideally) but ruled one out on the basis of the BMW warranty renewal cost (three times as much as a 440i) and insurance cost (again, three times as much as a 440i). I've no idea what a crank hub is or what it costs to fix if it goes wrong but it's talked about enough for me not to want to be without a BMW warranty.
Harry Rule said:
I'm not that knowledgeable about the M4, but if the car's unmodified, regularly serviced and sympathetically driven, i.e. not red lined when it's stone cold, then I doubt the rod bolts would be much of an issue.
Easy enough to take that advice yourself but no way of knowing how the previous owner has treated it!I've done almost 20k miles now in my December 2018 San Marino Blue F82 M4(DCT) and I still love it. The ride(even on the 19s) niggles me a bit, and I was a bit pissed off that I'd forgot about the OPFs when I bought it too. So I always suggest going for the 2017 models to avoid the OPFs, because mine is pretty much EV levels of quietness with the OPFs.
They are great cars I reckon, and they are as boring to drive as a 420d when you're going steady, but press a button to liven everything up and they almost turn into a different car. I haven't got a clue what I'd swap it for to be honest, although I am really tempted with a G82 M4 xDrive though, because the F82 M4 is completely useless over the winter period because you just can't get on the throttle without it threatening to stick you in a ditch!
They are great cars I reckon, and they are as boring to drive as a 420d when you're going steady, but press a button to liven everything up and they almost turn into a different car. I haven't got a clue what I'd swap it for to be honest, although I am really tempted with a G82 M4 xDrive though, because the F82 M4 is completely useless over the winter period because you just can't get on the throttle without it threatening to stick you in a ditch!
cerb4.5lee said:
I've done almost 20k miles now in my December 2018 San Marino Blue F82 M4(DCT) and I still love it. The ride(even on the 19s) niggles me a bit, and I was a bit pissed off that I'd forgot about the OPFs when I bought it too. So I always suggest going for the 2017 models to avoid the OPFs, because mine is pretty much EV levels of quietness with the OPFs.
They are great cars I reckon, and they are as boring to drive as a 420d when you're going steady, but press a button to liven everything up and they almost turn into a different car. I haven't got a clue what I'd swap it for to be honest, although I am really tempted with a G82 M4 xDrive though, because the F82 M4 is completely useless over the winter period because you just can't get on the throttle without it threatening to stick you in a ditch!
Don’t rule out the RWD only G82. I’ve had 4 so far and way preferred them to my 2 xDrive G82’s. The traction is unbelievable on this platform and handling is better due to the lack of weight over the front axle. No, it’s not as quick across back roads in bad weather, but who really pushes that hard in those conditions anyway. They are great cars I reckon, and they are as boring to drive as a 420d when you're going steady, but press a button to liven everything up and they almost turn into a different car. I haven't got a clue what I'd swap it for to be honest, although I am really tempted with a G82 M4 xDrive though, because the F82 M4 is completely useless over the winter period because you just can't get on the throttle without it threatening to stick you in a ditch!
I loved my 6 F8*’s, and the lively feel of the RWD G8* takes me back to some of the amazing drives I had in those cars.
OP - they are great cars, and as long as they are kept standard there are remarkably few issues. Put a BMW warranty if you are worried about the major issues (turbos/ valvetronic/eccentric shafts) and make sure you budget for the fairly expensive consumables.
Beyond that, find an enthusiast owned (standard) car, preferably in an individual colour for resale, and definitely a Comp model (the suspension felt much better resolved on these cars), and you can’t go wrong.
I wonder if anyone knowledgeable could have a look at this one for sale and see if it's missing anything obvious in terms of spec
https://usedcars.bmw.co.uk/vehicle/202307260076892...
In terms of colour interior and exterior its what I would have chosen and the black wheels look very good in person.
I've viewed it outside only on the forecourt, it was nearly 30k which I felt was a little too much but its just had a price drop so I'm tempted to go back tomorrow for a proper look and maybe see what they will do on part ex etc.
https://usedcars.bmw.co.uk/vehicle/202307260076892...
In terms of colour interior and exterior its what I would have chosen and the black wheels look very good in person.
I've viewed it outside only on the forecourt, it was nearly 30k which I felt was a little too much but its just had a price drop so I'm tempted to go back tomorrow for a proper look and maybe see what they will do on part ex etc.
I've had my 2019 M4 non comp DCT in San Merino blue for 2 years now. The DCT was good when I was spending more time commuting on the motorway and although I've bonded with it now I think I'd rather have the manual as I've now retired.
Not overly fussed about the Competition as I really didn't like the wheels and the black badges. I'm sure there's a difference with the suspension as people always seem to refer to it. But on the cars I drove I really couldn't tell them apart. Same story with the power. It's still quick in my book. To the point where it's unusual to be in a position to floor it on public roads.
It's been faultless mechanically and just had a brake fluid change + MOT for £150 at 42,000miles.
The fact that I still have it post commute must mean something, although in this beautiful weather the Z4M tends to get driven more.
Not overly fussed about the Competition as I really didn't like the wheels and the black badges. I'm sure there's a difference with the suspension as people always seem to refer to it. But on the cars I drove I really couldn't tell them apart. Same story with the power. It's still quick in my book. To the point where it's unusual to be in a position to floor it on public roads.
It's been faultless mechanically and just had a brake fluid change + MOT for £150 at 42,000miles.
The fact that I still have it post commute must mean something, although in this beautiful weather the Z4M tends to get driven more.
Well my potential purchase has turned into a confirmed purchase.
I took the car out today for a test drive, the dealer just gave me the keys and let me drive it alone after doing all the usual checks and agreeing figures and I absolutely loved it. It made my M240i feel quite cheap in comparison, not to mention small.
I got more than I expected for my car as a part ex, apparantly they will do a little repair work on mine, wheel refurbishment and sort out a couple of stone chips and retail it.
Picking up my M4 on Wednesday morning!
I took the car out today for a test drive, the dealer just gave me the keys and let me drive it alone after doing all the usual checks and agreeing figures and I absolutely loved it. It made my M240i feel quite cheap in comparison, not to mention small.
I got more than I expected for my car as a part ex, apparantly they will do a little repair work on mine, wheel refurbishment and sort out a couple of stone chips and retail it.
Picking up my M4 on Wednesday morning!
MitchT said:
Easy enough to take that advice yourself but no way of knowing how the previous owner has treated it!
The insurance on the M4 is just about 3 times that of my M240i coming in at £1500 but I knew that was going to be the case when I decided I wanted an M4, can't say I'll enjoy paying it but it's expected. Jamescrs said:
Well my potential purchase has turned into a confirmed purchase.
I took the car out today for a test drive, the dealer just gave me the keys and let me drive it alone after doing all the usual checks and agreeing figures and I absolutely loved it. It made my M240i feel quite cheap in comparison, not to mention small.
I got more than I expected for my car as a part ex, apparantly they will do a little repair work on mine, wheel refurbishment and sort out a couple of stone chips and retail it.
Picking up my M4 on Wednesday morning!
Enjoy, absolutely beautiful cars. If it doesn’t have a speed limit indicator or latest maps just shout, I’ll let you know who I got my stuff from on eBay I took the car out today for a test drive, the dealer just gave me the keys and let me drive it alone after doing all the usual checks and agreeing figures and I absolutely loved it. It made my M240i feel quite cheap in comparison, not to mention small.
I got more than I expected for my car as a part ex, apparantly they will do a little repair work on mine, wheel refurbishment and sort out a couple of stone chips and retail it.
Picking up my M4 on Wednesday morning!
Jamescrs said:
The insurance on the M4 is just about 3 times that of my M240i coming in at £1500 but I knew that was going to be the case when I decided I wanted an M4, can't say I'll enjoy paying it but it's expected.
I'd expect it to be more but not three times more... maybe 50% more.you really need to monitor an check the insurance on these cars regularly.
My m2c was 750 a year to insure in 2021, with a 250 excess
went up to 1400 in 2022
2 weeks ago it was 1500
1 week ago I done a quote and it went up to 1600 with an 800 excess
2 days ago I done a quote and it creeped up to 1700 with an 800 excess
I have just done a quote now and within 2 days its just gone from 1700 to £2136!!! I dont have the car as I sold it 2 months ago but I have been doing them to see how much it would have gone up if I still owned, at this price I would have been forced to sell anyway, it literally has gone up 400 quid in 2 days in this week!
My m2c was 750 a year to insure in 2021, with a 250 excess
went up to 1400 in 2022
2 weeks ago it was 1500
1 week ago I done a quote and it went up to 1600 with an 800 excess
2 days ago I done a quote and it creeped up to 1700 with an 800 excess
I have just done a quote now and within 2 days its just gone from 1700 to £2136!!! I dont have the car as I sold it 2 months ago but I have been doing them to see how much it would have gone up if I still owned, at this price I would have been forced to sell anyway, it literally has gone up 400 quid in 2 days in this week!
I think what you are seeing a short term price differences as you run up to renewal, MSE has details on how the prices vary, but I think it’s something like you get the best price about 2weeks prior to renewal, then it goes up and up until renewal date.
Also try clearing your cookies / use in private browsing when applying for quotes.
Also try clearing your cookies / use in private browsing when applying for quotes.
James_Lafayette said:
I think what you are seeing a short term price differences as you run up to renewal, MSE has details on how the prices vary, but I think it’s something like you get the best price about 2weeks prior to renewal, then it goes up and up until renewal date.
Also try clearing your cookies / use in private browsing when applying for quotes.
Maybe interesting or not but initially I got a quote for two weeks in advance which came up at £1500ish. Also try clearing your cookies / use in private browsing when applying for quotes.
I did a seperate quote for insurance starting in 3 days time through the same comparison website and the quote was £1800.
I went back to the first saved quote at £1500 and changed the date and requoted and they still gave me the £1500 price, maybe I found a glitch but I was still able to purchase the policy at £1500. Not a great price but it saved me £300 potentially.
Anyway the M4 is proudly sat on my driveway now to result the thread. I absolutely love it!
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