DRS as a penalty

[andburg]

Been various discussions about disabling DRS as a penalty etc

Well how about the opposite? how about forcing DRS to be open, how fast will an F1 car be if DRS is open for an entire lap?

[Jasandjules]

Not long as they would be off into the barriers....

[TheDeuce]

andburg said:

Been various discussions about disabling DRS as a penalty etc

Well how about the opposite? how about forcing DRS to be open, how fast will an F1 car be if DRS is open for an entire lap?

Not fast at all. It'll be crashed.

Several times we have see a DRS flap stick open and the car fly off the track the moment any directional input is applied. The issue is that the front still has full downforce but nothing at the back - the car therefore pivots on it's front, like an out of control pendulum.

Admittedly, that would be quite an effective punishment.

[andburg]

TheDeuce said:

Admittedly, that would be quite an effective punishment.

exactly! if they know DRS is open they will have to drive accordingly

[SmoothCriminal]

andburg said:

TheDeuce said:

Admittedly, that would be quite an effective punishment.

exactly! if they know DRS is open they will have to drive accordingly

They don't drive accordingly when they know there is a risk to life, red flag double waved yellows and then bleat after how the fia want to kill them.

Imagine forcing the use of drs.

[Sheetmaself]

TheDeuce said:

andburg said:

Been various discussions about disabling DRS as a penalty etc

Well how about the opposite? how about forcing DRS to be open, how fast will an F1 car be if DRS is open for an entire lap?

Not fast at all. It'll be crashed.

Several times we have see a DRS flap stick open and the car fly off the track the moment any directional input is applied. The issue is that the front still has full downforce but nothing at the back - the car therefore pivots on it's front, like an out of control pendulum.

Admittedly, that would be quite an effective punishment.

Thats because it was unexpected though.

Silverstone a few years back the teams worked out if they didn’t brake for a corner (maybe the first in the new config but not sure) they could carry DRS into the next short straight. Not sure if deemed not worth it or the stewards put a stop to it but cars certainly weren’t flying off of the track.

I do this think it a good idea though although with a bit of tweaking could be something in it.

I’ve always thought DRS should have a maximum number of applications as opposed to the 1 sec rule. This could be reduced by a certain number depending on if any left of course and the severity of the penalty. Not sure what would happen though if someone had non! Probably needs someone smarter than i to solve that issue!

[Sandpit Steve]

Sheetmaself said:

Thats because it was unexpected though.

Silverstone a few years back the teams worked out if they didn’t brake for a corner (maybe the first in the new config but not sure) they could carry DRS into the next short straight. Not sure if deemed not worth it or the stewards put a stop to it but cars certainly weren’t flying off of the track.

I do this think it a good idea though although with a bit of tweaking could be something in it.

I’ve always thought DRS should have a maximum number of applications as opposed to the 1 sec rule. This could be reduced by a certain number depending on if any left of course and the severity of the penalty. Not sure what would happen though if someone had non! Probably needs someone smarter than i to solve that issue!

Didn’t two cars go flying off into the barriers that weekend, which is why they didn’t repeat the experiment?

The first corner at Silverstone is flat without DRS, but not flat with it, but lifting off disables it - so the correct way to do it was to manually hit the DRS button on the steering wheel just before the corner, to close the flap, then re-engage it with the button on the way out of the corner.

[TheDeuce]

Sheetmaself said:

TheDeuce said:

andburg said:

Been various discussions about disabling DRS as a penalty etc

Well how about the opposite? how about forcing DRS to be open, how fast will an F1 car be if DRS is open for an entire lap?

Not fast at all. It'll be crashed.

Several times we have see a DRS flap stick open and the car fly off the track the moment any directional input is applied. The issue is that the front still has full downforce but nothing at the back - the car therefore pivots on it's front, like an out of control pendulum.

Admittedly, that would be quite an effective punishment.

Thats because it was unexpected though.

Silverstone a few years back the teams worked out if they didn’t brake for a corner (maybe the first in the new config but not sure) they could carry DRS into the next short straight. Not sure if deemed not worth it or the stewards put a stop to it but cars certainly weren’t flying off of the track.

I do this think it a good idea though although with a bit of tweaking could be something in it.

I’ve always thought DRS should have a maximum number of applications as opposed to the 1 sec rule. This could be reduced by a certain number depending on if any left of course and the severity of the penalty. Not sure what would happen though if someone had non! Probably needs someone smarter than i to solve that issue!

The problem is, that even though they know it's coming, they'll still try an find the limit of cornering performance with DRS active... And the car in that state is highly unstable - it would be seen as forced danger 'for the show' to entirely destabilise a racing car mid race.

However, I agree with the principle that there should be a price to pay and that it would be good if that price was something the drivers could try and minimise by deploying their skill and judgement. I'm just not convinced that taking up to 1000kg of downforce off one end of the car is a great plan..

[HardtopManual]

New solution for track limits - the further over the white line the car goes, the wider the DRS flap opens.