Michelin CrossClimate 2s vs Goodyear Vector 4 Season Gen 3s

[d_a_n1979]

Has anyone had the opportunity to compare both of those against each other in real world, every day driving?

I've decided to go for all seasons rather then dedicated winters this year, going for 235/45/18s for my F31 on a set of 18x8 Style 397s.

More normal road driving & then the road trips up to Dunkeld in Dec, Jan and Feb will be in there too etc...

There's the usual suspects too (Vredestein, Continental etc)

But the Michelin and Goodyear tyres are more or less the same price etc...

I've ran the Goodyears before albeit in September to Dec last year in the Japanese import E39 540i I had. They didn't really get a proper test TBH

[VeeTenM]

I've had all sort on my daily Polo (no BMW), recently I went for CrossClimates and they have been the best tyres so far. Much better than the Vectors in wet, on par with A005 your mileage may vary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K8ThRGNaoM

[d_a_n1979]

VeeTenM said:

I've had all sort on my daily Polo (no BMW), recently I went for CrossClimates and they have been the best tyres so far. Much better than the Vectors in wet, on par with A005 your mileage may vary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K8ThRGNaoM

Yup; I bought the Goodyears based on Jons reviews; which have updated and the Vectors faired very well with the Michelins

But those tyre reviews aren't real world/every day driving

For me, the Goodyears faired superbly in the wet when I drove it a good few times before I sold it last December (in the thick of the freezing weather we got); they gripped superbly and didn't worry me at all...

That's part of why I'm asking, whether to stick with them or try the Michelins etc

[SAS Tom]

I went from the Michelins to the Goodyears. I found that the crossclimates were bad for aquaplaning despite plenty of tread. Most tests concur with this too.

The Goodyears have been great. Good in all weathers and even off road, they’ve never put a foot wrong.

[d_a_n1979]

SAS Tom said:

I went from the Michelins to the Goodyears. I found that the crossclimates were bad for aquaplaning despite plenty of tread. Most tests concur with this too.

The Goodyears have been great. Good in all weathers and even off road, they’ve never put a foot wrong.

I have seen that mentioned a few times...

TBH I think the Goodyears will be the ones I go for; they'll do my OCD well and match with my Goodyear Assym6s on my 405Ms

[d_a_n1979]

As above; decision made

x4 235/45/18 Goodyear Vector 4Season Gen3s ordered via AsdaTyres!

Cheeky buggers though! Had another look; price went from £145 a corner to £158 a corner! Ordered them via an incognito tab on Chrome via my Mac

£600 all in inc delivery

Will drop them off and the 18x8 Style 397s with my pal to refurb the alloys & fit the tyres/balance them etc...

Just need to order TPMS now...

That's the next question, OEM BMW or aftermarket?!

[swanny71]

Sound choice going for the Goodyears, I’ve used them as “winters” for a couple of years on my M135i and been very happy. They feel much better on mild/damp days than previous winter tyres and excellent aquaplaning resistance was a must for me. Good on wet/muddy Devon B roads and handled what little snow we had well.

I would and did go OEM for TPMS just to save any potential hassle.

[loskie]

you won't notice any difference

[d_a_n1979]

loskie said:

you won't notice any difference

Insightful...

[d_a_n1979]

swanny71 said:

Sound choice going for the Goodyears, I’ve used them as “winters” for a couple of years on my M135i and been very happy. They feel much better on mild/damp days than previous winter tyres and excellent aquaplaning resistance was a must for me. Good on wet/muddy Devon B roads and handled what little snow we had well.

I would and did go OEM for TPMS just to save any potential hassle.

Yeah. The thought process is that they'll do absolutely fine for the every day driving and then the road trips up to Dunkeld and back through the winter. The M6/74/80 and A9 are well maintained to not need full winters and now my heavy stone lifting days are done, there's no need for me to be traipsing down back roads in the middle of nowhere in the Highlands trying to find them to lift

The brief period I had them late last year they did really well. But never got a chance to proper use them over the full winter etc...

[Sheepshanks]

VeeTenM said:

I've had all sort on my daily Polo (no BMW), recently I went for CrossClimates and they have been the best tyres so far. Much better than the Vectors in wet, on par with A005 your mileage may vary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K8ThRGNaoM

What was the wear like on the Vectors?

I've been amazed by how long Cross Climates have lasted on daughter's SEAT Ateca - just over 40K miles now, but they'll be changed before winter. The original Bridgestone Turanza'a lasted 20K.

[loskie]

d_a_n1979 said:

loskie said:

you won't notice any difference

Insightful...

Quite true though.

[Magnum 475]

Can I add another tyre into the mix?

The only All Season I can find in 225/45/18 (Front) and 255/40/18 (Rear) is the Continental AllSeason Contact. Sadly Mich don't make the Cross Climate for the rear.

Anyone got any experience of these Contis yet??

[Earthdweller]

Sheepshanks said:

What was the wear like on the Vectors?

I've been amazed by how long Cross Climates have lasted on daughter's SEAT Ateca - just over 40K miles now, but they'll be changed before winter. The original Bridgestone Turanza'a lasted 20K.

i have the Vectors on a Mini Countryman and the wear has been exceptional imo similar to you above and still with plenty of life left

they really last very well indeed as well as being an absolutely excellent all round all year tyre

they aren’t as crisp as a UHP summer in the warm/dry but in the wet they are ace and in winter i’d say pretty much on a par with full winters

certainty for the northern british isles they should be the go to tyre

[Sheepshanks]

Thanks for that. Can get both from Costco too.

[Earthdweller]

Sheepshanks said:

Thanks for that. Can get both from Costco too.

i’ve just ordered two this morning, had a puncture on the front o/s and had to temp put a summer on so missmatched on axle, not ideal

the f/n/s is on 3mm+ after almost 40k and i’ll keep it as a spare and put two new ones on the front

[d_a_n1979]

Earthdweller said:

Sheepshanks said:

What was the wear like on the Vectors?

I've been amazed by how long Cross Climates have lasted on daughter's SEAT Ateca - just over 40K miles now, but they'll be changed before winter. The original Bridgestone Turanza'a lasted 20K.

they aren’t as crisp as a UHP summer in the warm/dry but in the wet they are ace and in winter i’d say pretty much on a par with full winters

certainty for the northern british isles they should be the go to tyre

This is why I've gone for all-seasons rather than winters TBH; this year caught me out as I'd moved from the winters to summers and then a week later the weather changed; back into the minus figures etc and then 10 days later, it was 12ºC etc...

Didn't want to be running winters when it starts to get that warm; but with all seasons, it's not as a desperate push to swap them over

I'm sure they'll hold their over very well on the road trips to Dunkeld and back too

[JNW1]

SAS Tom said:

I went from the Michelins to the Goodyears. I found that the crossclimates were bad for aquaplaning despite plenty of tread. Most tests concur with this too.

The Goodyears have been great. Good in all weathers and even off road, they’ve never put a foot wrong.

For balance, we've had CrossClimate 2's on our Cooper S for a couple of years - and around 20k miles - and never once had a problem with aquaplaning. I'm not sure I'd agree most tests rate them poorly in that regard either - I've just had a quick look at a few at random on the Tyre Reviews website and the CC2's don't appear to score worse than the Goodyears for aquaplaning (slightly better if anything).

Having said that I've always liked and rated Goodyears and I'm sure the OP will be happy with the choice he's made; but I also rate the CC2 and (IMHO) people could do a lot worse if they're looking for an All Season tyre.

[JNW1]

Earthdweller said:

they aren’t as crisp as a UHP summer in the warm/dry but in the wet they are ace and in winter i’d say pretty much on a par with full winters

certainty for the northern british isles they should be the go to tyre

Agree with that. The CC2's definitely aren't as good as a performance summer tyre when the weather's warm - they're a bit soft and squidgy in comparison - but in the colder months I think they represent a more sensible choice than a full winter for most locations in the UK.

ETA: And I think you only notice the CC2's are a bit soft in warm weather if you're pressing-on over a twisty road; in normal driving they're fine even when the ambient temperature's high (albeit the braking distance will probably be longer than with a summer tyre should you need to stop quickly!).

Edited by JNW1 on Monday 24th July 21:53

[Deano_BMW]

I had the vectors on my old F10 and currently have the CC2's on my F11. Both 535d's but both motorway hacks unsurprisingly. I cant say I've ever noticed aquaplaning issues and even as recent as last night where the rain came down very quickly and flooded the empty roads with a lot of standing water, at no point did i have any issues/concerns. As someone else mentioned, the wear rates on the CC2s are pretty incredible, seemingly not wearing at all.
I had absolutely no issue with the vectors, and i think I'd be hard pressed to tell you if there were really any differences between the two although they didn't last as long as they wore much quicker.

negative point for me on the michelins is road noise, i really find them quite noisy.