Why does the FIA allow safety cars to mess up the order?
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Why does the FIA allow safety car periods to mess up the race order rather than freezing the race?
Without the safety car today Hamilton would have finished 7th or 8th, yet he was gifted a podium purely through good fortune, and the Ferraris would have had a decent result but both had their races obliterated through no fault of their own. Perez also benefitted massively when he didn't deserve to.
I think safety car periods have even created fluke race wins in the past.
Without the safety car today Hamilton would have finished 7th or 8th, yet he was gifted a podium purely through good fortune, and the Ferraris would have had a decent result but both had their races obliterated through no fault of their own. Perez also benefitted massively when he didn't deserve to.
I think safety car periods have even created fluke race wins in the past.
In cricket they call that "the rub of the green" which is just another way of saying, thats how it goes!
Its not an easy fix and has always been the case, personally I am for extending SC pits stop times, so if the loss in normal race conditions is 22s then under the SC that is how long the stop should take too. But even that isnt perfect
Its not an easy fix and has always been the case, personally I am for extending SC pits stop times, so if the loss in normal race conditions is 22s then under the SC that is how long the stop should take too. But even that isnt perfect
DOCG said:
Why does the FIA allow safety car periods to mess up the race order rather than freezing the race?
I think safety car periods have even created fluke race wins in the past.
I think they have gifted a WC more importantly............But it's the shame good/bad luck chances for everyoneI think safety car periods have even created fluke race wins in the past.
Zetec-S said:
What if someone has a puncture or damage?
They used to allow cars in but not out of the pits under some safety car conditions, so they could fix a puncture or replace a damaged wing but not gain any track position. Maybe they could come up with something along those lines.DOCG said:
Why does the FIA allow safety car periods to mess up the race order rather than freezing the race?
Without the safety car today Hamilton would have finished 7th or 8th, yet he was gifted a podium purely through good fortune, and the Ferraris would have had a decent result but both had their races obliterated through no fault of their own. Perez also benefitted massively when he didn't deserve to.
I think safety car periods have even created fluke race wins in the past.
I think Hamilton might swap the podium for the 8th world championship a safety car cost him.Without the safety car today Hamilton would have finished 7th or 8th, yet he was gifted a podium purely through good fortune, and the Ferraris would have had a decent result but both had their races obliterated through no fault of their own. Perez also benefitted massively when he didn't deserve to.
I think safety car periods have even created fluke race wins in the past.
As others have posted, rub of the green.
entropy said:
Whenever there is an incident there has to be protocols to minimize risk to drivers, marshals and safety workers. That should be first priority - not whether it messes up someone's race or handing a fluke win.
I agree with the OP.You could have safety and fairness. They aren’t mutually exclusive.
entropy said:
Whenever there is an incident there has to be protocols to minimize risk to drivers, marshals and safety workers. That should be first priority - not whether it messes up someone's race or handing a fluke win.
No-one is disputing that. It's more a discussion about whether there's a better/fairer way of doing it.The trouble is if you make a change to fix one problem then it probably creates a different problem, either deliberately or inadvertently.
Zetec-S said:
entropy said:
Whenever there is an incident there has to be protocols to minimize risk to drivers, marshals and safety workers. That should be first priority - not whether it messes up someone's race or handing a fluke win.
No-one is disputing that. It's more a discussion about whether there's a better/fairer way of doing it.The trouble is if you make a change to fix one problem then it probably creates a different problem, either deliberately or inadvertently.
Even with slow zones and VSC its who can get a jump entering/exit the slow zones - is that fair?
Stopping and restarting a race is a laborious process which ends up restarting behind safety car or standing start. Is that fair?
Pre-1995 we had the aggregate system which meant the restarted race superficially became a time trial and didn't square with racing on the race track e.g. Alesi & Mansell battling in Japan 1994 wasn't for the overall position.
entropy said:
Zetec-S said:
entropy said:
Whenever there is an incident there has to be protocols to minimize risk to drivers, marshals and safety workers. That should be first priority - not whether it messes up someone's race or handing a fluke win.
No-one is disputing that. It's more a discussion about whether there's a better/fairer way of doing it.The trouble is if you make a change to fix one problem then it probably creates a different problem, either deliberately or inadvertently.
Even with slow zones and VSC its who can get a jump entering/exit the slow zones - is that fair?
Stopping and restarting a race is a laborious process which ends up restarting behind safety car or standing start. Is that fair?
Pre-1995 we had the aggregate system which meant the restarted race superficially became a time trial and didn't square with racing on the race track e.g. Alesi & Mansell battling in Japan 1994 wasn't for the overall position.
Scolmore said:
I think Hamilton might swap the podium for the 8th world championship a safety car cost him.
As others have posted, rub of the green.
I think you mean proper 7th!As others have posted, rub of the green.
Anyway, you win some lose some. I feel for Oscar but I'm sure he'll luck into a result at some point to ying and yang fortune.
At Le Mans, if you go into the pits during a safety car, you cannot leave until the next safety car train passes the end of the pit lane and you tag onto the end of the snake. Once the three trains merge into one, the pit lane is closed (assume still allowed for emergency but some sort of penalty applied.
Could do the same in F1, held at a red light until the safety car passes then tag on the end. Will stop the mad rush for tyres and crowding of the pit lane as only those who have to will pit as you are at risk of losing a lap.
Could do the same in F1, held at a red light until the safety car passes then tag on the end. Will stop the mad rush for tyres and crowding of the pit lane as only those who have to will pit as you are at risk of losing a lap.
WonkeyDonkey said:
They should use slow zones like at Le Mans.
F1 has similar - it's called double waved yellows. Le Mans is a 13.4km lap so to have two or three Kms at a slower speed makes theoretical sense there. I say theoretical because having watched the start of one at Porsche Curves this year, I'd say they are hugely dangerous and need some careful review because how we didn't watch several plane accidents occur is anyone's guess.
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