Is it time for BOP in Formula One?

[Adrian W]

Clearly the FIA can’t control the teams, two sets of rules and two massively dominant teams, is it now time for success penalties or a BOP leveller?

[Sandpit Steve]

Adrian W said:

Clearly the FIA can’t control the teams, two sets of rules and two massively dominant teams, is it now time for success penalties or a BOP leveller?

Use the existing restrictions on wind tunnel time, but make the slope bigger from first to last. Perhaps also add a budget element, so the champions have a smaller budget for the following season.

[Adrian W]

Sandpit Steve said:

Adrian W said:

Clearly the FIA can’t control the teams, two sets of rules and two massively dominant teams, is it now time for success penalties or a BOP leveller?

Use the existing restrictions on wind tunnel time, but make the slope bigger from first to last. Perhaps also add a budget element, so the champions have a smaller budget for the following season.

Surely that wouldn’t fix the issue as the results would be year on year, I would suggest something more dynamic as in WEC or BTCC, obviously make it results based, to avoid sandbagging as in WEC

[500TORQUES]

No.

[Adrian W]

500TORQUES said:

No.

Well thought out structured reasoned argument, why not? It wouldn’t stifle development as team need to stay competitive

[500TORQUES]

Adrian W said:

Well thought out structured reasoned argument, why not? It wouldn’t stifle development as team need to stay competitive

Because BOP is st. The best engineering should win in prototype racing.

[Adrian W]

500TORQUES said:

Adrian W said:

Well thought out structured reasoned argument, why not? It wouldn’t stifle development as team need to stay competitive

Because BOP is st. The best engineering should win in prototype racing.

But it’s not the best engineering, it’s the best interpretation of the rules, given a free hand all of the teams could make much quicker cars

[500TORQUES]

Adrian W said:

500TORQUES said:

Adrian W said:

Well thought out structured reasoned argument, why not? It wouldn’t stifle development as team need to stay competitive

Because BOP is st. The best engineering should win in prototype racing.

But it’s not the best engineering, it’s the best interpretation of the rules, given a free hand all of the teams could make much quicker cars

It's the best engineering within the rules. You knew that of course.

[Muzzer79]

500TORQUES said:

Adrian W said:

Well thought out structured reasoned argument, why not? It wouldn’t stifle development as team need to stay competitive

Because BOP is st. The best engineering should win in prototype racing.

This

Whilst I am definitely not a Red Bull fan, it’s up to the other teams to catch up, not the governing body to slow them down.

I think even Toto Wolff has said something similar

[48Valves]

No, they should scrap the cost cap.

[Sandpit Steve]

Muzzer79 said:

500TORQUES said:

Adrian W said:

Well thought out structured reasoned argument, why not? It wouldn’t stifle development as team need to stay competitive

Because BOP is st. The best engineering should win in prototype racing.

This

Whilst I am definitely not a Red Bull fan, it’s up to the other teams to catch up, not the governing body to slow them down.

I think even Toto Wolff has said something similar

Yes, prototype racing is primarily an engineering competition. Whoever builds the fastest car within the rules, gets to win the race!

Toto did indeed say that it’s up to everyone else to be faster. Horner said the same when Mercedes were the fastest. It’s one of few things on which they agree!

If you want to see racing where all the cars are the same, then watch a spec series. F2 is on shortly.

[Blink982]

Horner did not say anything of the sort did he? He was constantly bleating about Merc and how many times did Red Bull threaten to leave F1 and protest?

[Howard1650]

No

It works in sports cars because that is about beating the track and the time, not just the other cars.

[GiantCardboardPlato]

In response to the topic - no, it’s not, it will never be time.
Just actually enforce the fecking rules.

[Muzzer79]

Blink982 said:

Horner did not say anything of the sort did he? He was constantly bleating about Merc and how many times did Red Bull threaten to leave F1 and protest?

Whilst Horner may be a dick and was clearly speaking for his own benefit at the time (like he always does) it doesn’t mean that BoP is a good thing.

F1 is based on meritocracy. It should always be thus.

[The Vambo]

Banned testing to save money. Then limited money but you can't spend it on testing. Stupid.


Baked in faults and advantages have ruined competition since 2009. BOP should be done using testing IRL.

[Blink982]

Muzzer79 said:

Whilst Horner may be a dick and was clearly speaking for his own benefit at the time (like he always does) it doesn’t mean that BoP is a good thing.

F1 is based on meritocracy. It should always be thus.

I didn’t say anything about the BoP being welcome and wholeheartedly agree. I was merely pointing out that Horner whinged constantly and is a hypocrite.

[MustangGT]

Muzzer79 said:

500TORQUES said:

Adrian W said:

Well thought out structured reasoned argument, why not? It wouldn’t stifle development as team need to stay competitive

Because BOP is st. The best engineering should win in prototype racing.

This

Whilst I am definitely not a Red Bull fan, it’s up to the other teams to catch up, not the governing body to slow them down.

I think even Toto Wolff has said something similar

Agreed, this.

[majordad]

They had it before , as in Michael Schumacher breaking a leg at Stowe. I’ll probably be flamed , but I’d like JV to suffer something small and miss a few races.

[500TORQUES]

majordad said:

They had it before , as in Michael Schumacher breaking a leg at Stowe. I’ll probably be flamed , but I’d like JV to suffer something small and miss a few races.

He retired decades ago.