How many owners??
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Condi

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20,119 posts

198 months

Tuesday 4th July 2023
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Just found a nice looking car, good price, good spec etc. It's nothing more exciting than a 2016 3 Series 320D. About as "bog standard" as you can get in many ways. 45,000 miles on the clock, but it has 6 previous owners! The first owner could well have been a company, if it was a lease or company car, but that means that each owner has kept the car for an average of 1 year and less than 10,000 miles.

Can anyone think, aside from the fact it has a major issue, why there would be so many?

biggbn

31,839 posts

247 months

Tuesday 4th July 2023
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I know this is a personal thing, but that would put me off.

cuprabob

19,196 posts

241 months

Tuesday 4th July 2023
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Normally, the number of owners doesn't bother me but on a run of the mill car to have 6 owners in as many years would ring alarm bells for me.

BananaFama

4,994 posts

106 months

Tuesday 4th July 2023
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Yeah ,I would probably walk away from it too .
That's too many .

Condi

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198 months

Tuesday 4th July 2023
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Yes, I have asked the question. There is nothing in the MOT history to suggest that it's changed hands, milage is pretty consistent since it was first MOT'd, so at a guess it has had quite a few at the start of it's life. Let's see what the owner has to say.

Edible Roadkill

2,227 posts

204 months

Tuesday 4th July 2023
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Sounds high but it’s maybe been pre registered & 5 owners

valiant

13,909 posts

187 months

Tuesday 4th July 2023
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Yeah, it does ring alarm bells but there may be pretty good reasons for it that totally justify it but on a humdrum motor I’d continue looking.

Was in a similar position a few months ago where a car that was of perfect spec, was less than 2 years old, only 5k miles but had three previous owners. Dealership couldn’t give a convincing answer so I continued my search. Again, could have been a pre-reg, then bought and then transferred to a family member or something but there’s always that thought in the back of your mind that it’s a lemon and previous owners have simply punted it on rather than trying to resolve a hidden issue.

Ash_

5,965 posts

217 months

Tuesday 4th July 2023
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To be honest, for such a "run of the mill" car, I'd probably just look for another one, there must be loads to choose from.

Richard-390a0

3,427 posts

118 months

Tuesday 4th July 2023
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Condi said:
2016 3 Series 320D. 45,000 miles on the clock, but it has 6 previous owners! The first owner could well have been a company
7yr old diesel with multiple owners but only 45k miles? I'd walk away too as something here doesn't add up.

DodgyGeezer

48,262 posts

217 months

Tuesday 4th July 2023
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specialist car? Possibly. A 'normal' car? Not a chance

Condi

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Tuesday 4th July 2023
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Richard-390a0 said:
7yr old diesel with multiple owners but only 45k miles? I'd walk away too as something here doesn't add up.
I agree, but what?

The Cardinal

1,378 posts

279 months

Tuesday 4th July 2023
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I recently bought a 2016 Golf GTD with 5 previous owners. Obviously it's a factor, but the car is in such good condition that I'd urge anyone to look more closely before ruling something in / out on the basis of the number of owners.

It looks like my car was pre-registered, then the next change was at 9 months / 9,000 miles. That's typical for a dealership or manufacturer-owned car, and accounts for 2 owners. The remaining 3 before me did about 2 years / 15k miles each, which isn't unusual.

It has a pile of all history paperwork, new discs & pads and freshly refurbished polished alloys. I was originally looking for a GTI or R, but to give some perspective it would have cost me 25% more to buy a 2016 GTI with 1 owner and similar mileage / spec - and so this GTD felt like good value.

My previous RS3 was the same age and 1-previous-owner - it was in more or less the same condition, i.e. mint. I also had a similar age Fabia with just 1 previous owner, too, and that was trashed in comparison (though muchos cheap)!


Condi

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198 months

Tuesday 4th July 2023
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The Cardinal said:
It looks like my car was pre-registered, then the next change was at 9 months / 9,000 miles. That's typical for a dealership or manufacturer-owned car, and accounts for 2 owners. The remaining 3 before me did about 2 years / 15k miles each, which isn't unusual.
Given the options list it has, a pre-reg or dealer car wouldn't surprise me. Will see if the seller ever gets back to me.

aka_kerrly

12,505 posts

237 months

Tuesday 4th July 2023
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Condi said:
Richard-390a0 said:
7yr old diesel with multiple owners but only 45k miles? I'd walk away too as something here doesn't add up.
I agree, but what?
I'd try to establish when each owner had the car.


If it was a company car for it's first 2-3 years then perhaps the first private owner had it a couple of years before COVID era when plenty of peoples circumstances changed pretty quickly eg:

Stuck at home unable to work/travel, sell the car,
Buy a car thinking you are doing lots of business miles then WFH,
Buy a car to do big miles then no job,
Buy a car then find your bills have gone up 50% your pay has gone up 2.5%,
Buy from someone in the above situation for £1k under list price and punt it on having done nothing for a quick ££
Buy a unrecorded write off from CoPart type place, fix it up, sell it on.
buy a 320d and realise life is too short and you ought to have bought a 330i/335i/M3biggrin

Condi

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aka_kerrly said:
Buy a 320d and realise life is too short and you ought to have bought a 330i/335i/M3biggrin
Oh, I agree with that, but doing 15,000 miles a year and needing to tow a trailer occasionally means a certain level of practicality is required.

Besides, once you own a motorbike fast cars become a bit "meh". wink

But in principle, completely agree.

aka_kerrly

12,505 posts

237 months

Tuesday 4th July 2023
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Condi said:
aka_kerrly said:
Buy a 320d and realise life is too short and you ought to have bought a 330i/335i/M3biggrin
Oh, I agree with that, but doing 15,000 miles a year and needing to tow a trailer occasionally means a certain level of practicality is required.

Besides, once you own a motorbike fast cars become a bit "meh". wink

But in principle, completely agree.
In all fairness I mock a 320d very much tongue in cheek because in reality they really are a respectable 1 car solution. However as this is PH i feel obliged to ask if you have put much thought into the purchase price/cost of ownership difference with a I6 325/30d.


biggbn

31,839 posts

247 months

Tuesday 4th July 2023
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Condi said:
Richard-390a0 said:
7yr old diesel with multiple owners but only 45k miles? I'd walk away too as something here doesn't add up.
I agree, but what?
Doesn't matter what. Will put off any buyer come resale, and there are plenty other cars about. Why make your life harder than it has to be?

Edited by biggbn on Wednesday 5th July 08:11

ZX10R NIN

30,396 posts

152 months

Tuesday 4th July 2023
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I understand your concern but as with all things you have to buy on CONDITION the number of owners isn't a marker of how the car's been looked after.

I've seen just as many 1/2 owner dogs as I have multi owner cars, look for receipts not stamps.

Pica-Pica

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111 months

Tuesday 4th July 2023
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Edible Roadkill said:
Sounds high but it’s maybe been pre registered & 5 owners
That’s what I suspect, but 5 still seems too high.