Mazepin begins High Court bid to get sanctions lifted
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he's clearly passionate about motor sport and wants to get back to it.
he's a tone deaf spoilt b
d with the resources to see this kind of legal complaint all the way through.
he has an ability to spaff money up the wall on legal fees.
He doesn't want to race as a non Russian
The sanctions haven't worked on his/his fathers personal wealth.
he's a tone deaf spoilt b
d with the resources to see this kind of legal complaint all the way through.he has an ability to spaff money up the wall on legal fees.
He doesn't want to race as a non Russian
The sanctions haven't worked on his/his fathers personal wealth.
Agree, it's hard to see how he can really 'win', even if he wins in court. The teams actually don't need to rely very heavily on pay drivers moving forwards, if they even need to at all anymore. Certainly no team wants this particular pay driver..
Can he win technically? I actually doubt it very much. He may have near endless financial resources but the sanctions in place are there as the strongest none combative measure that one country can place upon another in response to aggressive or threatening behavior. Thus, the political will and power to make sure sanctions are effective and upheld are significant - I really can't see him, largely for personal reasons, managing to convince the court that an exception to the application of legal sanctions needs to be made. The whole point and power of sanctions is that exemptions are not available - at least not unless negotiated at the highest political levels in order to improve the situation and reason for the sanctions being imposed in the first place.
Can he win technically? I actually doubt it very much. He may have near endless financial resources but the sanctions in place are there as the strongest none combative measure that one country can place upon another in response to aggressive or threatening behavior. Thus, the political will and power to make sure sanctions are effective and upheld are significant - I really can't see him, largely for personal reasons, managing to convince the court that an exception to the application of legal sanctions needs to be made. The whole point and power of sanctions is that exemptions are not available - at least not unless negotiated at the highest political levels in order to improve the situation and reason for the sanctions being imposed in the first place.
Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
He doesn't want to race as a non Russian
If he doesn't want to race as a non-Russian then he needs to be lobbying the FIA not the UK courts. If he wants the sanctions lifting then perhaps try to stop the cause of the sanctions by asking dad's mate to stop bombing Ukraine, rather than just complaining about the sanctions in court.
thegreenhell said:
Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
He doesn't want to race as a non Russian
If he doesn't want to race as a non-Russian then he needs to be lobbying the FIA not the UK courts. If he wants the sanctions lifting then perhaps try to stop the cause of the sanctions by asking dad's mate to stop bombing Ukraine, rather than just complaining about the sanctions in court.
A timely reminder that the sanctions are in place for reasons greater than preventing a comically subpar driver from returning to F1.
gt_12345 said:
p4cks said:
Let's imagine he's successful (in his case, that is), who's going to employ him? He's not competitive and the teams that would have previously welcomed his Dad's money have moved on and really won't want the publicity.
Dad will buy his own team?TheDeuce said:
gt_12345 said:
p4cks said:
Let's imagine he's successful (in his case, that is), who's going to employ him? He's not competitive and the teams that would have previously welcomed his Dad's money have moved on and really won't want the publicity.
Dad will buy his own team?This is the most pointless waste of time and money ever. Even if he did win he is renowned for being utterly inept in F1. No one is going to touch him, no matter how much money he has.
gt_12345 said:
Can someone who understands this explain, why is a non-British citizen allowed to bring a case to the UK High Court?
it's to do with the sequestration of assets and banning of trade for Russian oligarchs by the individual countries. It's a tri partite action against the EU, Uk and USA .Thinking of this from another persepective...
There are billions worth of day to day trading in/out of Russia prevented by the current sanctions - yet the heads of industry concerned are not taking their case to the high court to try and change that situation, because they know it's immovable and pointless.
And yet Nikita...
Good luck.
There are billions worth of day to day trading in/out of Russia prevented by the current sanctions - yet the heads of industry concerned are not taking their case to the high court to try and change that situation, because they know it's immovable and pointless.
And yet Nikita...
Good luck.
TheDeuce said:
No one needs to sell a current team, and the other teams are intent on blocking new teams from far more benign outfits than the Mazepins. The teams would block it, and there would be no broader political support from FOM or FIA to do anything to stop the teams from blocking it - because it would be an awkward blight on F1, it would be terrible for the sport commercially.
AT is open for sale.entropy said:
TheDeuce said:
No one needs to sell a current team, and the other teams are intent on blocking new teams from far more benign outfits than the Mazepins. The teams would block it, and there would be no broader political support from FOM or FIA to do anything to stop the teams from blocking it - because it would be an awkward blight on F1, it would be terrible for the sport commercially.
AT is open for sale.entropy said:
TheDeuce said:
I thought that rumour was quoshed when RB decided to restructure the team.
Tost didn't help himself by claiming he didn't trust his engineers at the beginning of the season. For all I know there was mutual consent for Franz to step aside.As for the team being for sale - it was just a rumour, perhaps based on something at some time but nothing has come out and Tost himself denied it was the case:
"I had some very good meetings with Oliver Mintzlaff, who confirmed that the shareholders will not sell Scuderia AlphaTauri, and that Red Bull will continue supporting the team in the future," Tost said in a statement ahead of the season-opening Bahrain Grand Prix.
Naturally I don't always believe everything these guys say! But in this instance he has directly confirmed and quoted the RB shareholders of the team, which would be very improper if it was not said accurately and with their consent.
alisdairm said:
I think little Mazepin should conserve his energy and give serious consideration to just how far a highly motivated Ukrainian Grandmother can throw a Molotov cocktail.Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
gt_12345 said:
Can someone who understands this explain, why is a non-British citizen allowed to bring a case to the UK High Court?
it's to do with the sequestration of assets and banning of trade for Russian oligarchs by the individual countries. It's a tri partite action against the EU, Uk and USA .I might be wrong but I believe he was, had or is technically entitled to dual British citizenship.
The litigation is against the UK Government, hence why it is in the High Court. It's against the Foreign Secretary and it's because of the sanctions that were applied by the FS against Mazepin Snr. and Jnr. They are subject to an asset freeze and a travel ban. Mazepin wants the sanctions lifting so that he can travel to the UK to negotiate with teams for 2024, according to his Counsel.
I'm not sure how (or who) is funding the case, given the frozen asset situation. You have to hope it isn't a "no-win-no-fee"!
I also think he expects the UK courts to work faster than they do. There has been a preliminary hearing and there is another hearing listed for June. By the time the case is finished, it will be too late for 2024 anyway, quite apart from the issues of winning the case, let alone which of the 7 UK based teams would sign him.
I'm not sure how (or who) is funding the case, given the frozen asset situation. You have to hope it isn't a "no-win-no-fee"!
I also think he expects the UK courts to work faster than they do. There has been a preliminary hearing and there is another hearing listed for June. By the time the case is finished, it will be too late for 2024 anyway, quite apart from the issues of winning the case, let alone which of the 7 UK based teams would sign him.
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