RE: BMW M3 CS (E46) | PH Private Area
RE: BMW M3 CS (E46) | PH Private Area
Thursday 27th April 2023

BMW M3 CS (E46) | PH Private Area

There's a new M3 CS imminent - time to remember the best of the breed


While BMW did itself no favours with the spec of the launch car, and though it costs an enormous amount of money, the new M3 CS ought to be a spectacular sports saloon. With more power and a sharper chassis than the already mighty xDrive, the CS promises an awful lot. This is to say nothing of the last CS saloon that was launched in green (albeit a far nicer one) - the M5. It’s hard to imagine another M car that improves on the Competition model like that CS did, but let’s see - the M3 could be another icon. Just an odd looking one.

When a storied badge returns to a bootlid, it’s inevitable to browse the back catalogue to recall the greatest hits. The last M3 and M4 CS were the best models of that generation - if very expensive - with just enough extra edge to feel a proper step up from the Comp. And they looked brilliant. The M3 before that didn’t get a CS, but its Competition Pack (back when non-Comp M3s were still offered) definitely brought out the best in the package. Confusingly, that was the name also given to the first M3 CS back in the mid 2000s; some markets had been offered a Competition Pack before we got a CS in the UK, but they’re the same thing.

The same brilliant thing, it should be said, and still part of the reason why the ‘CS’ badge generates such excitement. The E46 M3 was already the small sports coupe par excellence, but the CS really unlocked the magic, sprinkled with some CSL fairy dust for a modest premium to create - you’ve guessed it - the best M3 of its generation. Launched in 2005 (a good while after the CSL, so owners didn’t get cross at a cut-price alternative), the CS got that car’s faster steering rack, bigger brakes, new springs and the half-way-house M mode for the stability control. To be expected nowadays - we’re onto drift analysers and 10-stage TC now - but a pretty big deal 18 years ago. All for a measly £2,400 over a standard E46, including the wonderful CSL-style wheels. Or about £15k less than the real deal had cost a couple of years before.

The five-star reviews came flooding in, the manual cars getting lots of predictable love as that transmission was denied to the CSL. The E46 M3 was already great; the CS was even better, and not much more money. Win-win. It’s thought around 241 were sold in the UK, presumably as coming towards the end of production run meant not that many could be made. No doubt original owners loved them, and all those after as well; having eventually dropped to only a little more than £10k about a decade ago, the CS has been on the way up ever since - the CSL having soared to unimaginably high levels.

This looks like a great one, an SMG in Interlagos Blue (an exclusive colour, and unarguably the best one), with fewer than 100,000 miles and a full BMW history up to 90k. It’s been with the current owner for six years, having replaced a Z4M in 2017. There’s plenty to be encouraged by in the advert, too, with a very recent service, four Michelin PS4S tyres, rust tended to, a rear subframe check and refurbished alloys. Certainly, time has done nothing to make a properly sorted E46 M3 look any less brilliant.

The asking price is £27,000; bear in mind that standard, lower mileage M3s are on offer at even more and a CSL could be in excess of £100k, and it looks like decent value. There’s no way you’re going to drive a £100k CSL how it’s meant to be, similarly a 20,000-mile standard car. No such worries in this one; 10 minutes behind that recently retrimmed wheel is all you’ll need to understand why the CS earns so much devotion. 


SPECIFICATION | BMW M3 CS (E46)

Engine: 3246cc, straight six
Transmission: Six-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 343@7,900rpm
Torque (lb ft): 269@5,000rpm
CO2: 323g/km
MPG: 21.1
Recorded mileage: 90,000
First registered: 2005
Price new: £43,555
Yours for: £27,000

See the original advert here

 

 

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Dombilano

Original Poster:

1,319 posts

74 months

Thursday 27th April 2023
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With that mileage, the rear subframe is 100% cracked

Robertb

2,986 posts

257 months

Thursday 27th April 2023
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Dombilano said:
With that mileage, the rear subframe is 100% cracked
Ad says that the car is an ‘05 build, with modified subframe. Not sure how reliable that is.

The subframe check was done prior to 2017, which could do with refreshing.

Lovely car though.

Dombilano

Original Poster:

1,319 posts

74 months

Thursday 27th April 2023
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Robertb said:
Dombilano said:
With that mileage, the rear subframe is 100% cracked
Ad says that the car is an ‘05 build, with modified subframe. Not sure how reliable that is.

The subframe check was done prior to 2017, which could do with refreshing.

Lovely car though.
It's a beautiful car, and as long as the diff oil leak can be sorted, and the rear subframe is ok, 27k is a bargain

jackcactii

264 posts

57 months

Thursday 27th April 2023
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all subframes will eventually die

like rod bearings in other M engines. there are no better model years.

just get the 'big three' done and have many worry-free years of freude am fahren

cerb4.5lee

39,528 posts

199 months

Thursday 27th April 2023
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Very nice and a lovely colour too. I'd prefer it with a manual gearbox I think, however I haven't tried the SMG though in fairness.

whp1983

1,276 posts

158 months

Thursday 27th April 2023
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Just so refreshing to look at compared to todays models…. Actual sports coupe as opposed to giant GT car.


thelostboy

4,696 posts

244 months

Thursday 27th April 2023
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I feel the CS is a little overhyped - it feels a lot closer to the standard M3 than it does the CSL.

For the price difference, a nice M3 with a few chosen mods represents better value, in my opinion.

Red6

578 posts

75 months

Thursday 27th April 2023
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For me. This is the ultimate M car. I don't need anything else. They can never top this.

NotNormal

2,394 posts

233 months

Thursday 27th April 2023
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There is generally never anything wrong with the subframes rolleyes



The rear floor where the subframe mounts up to? Well that's a different matter wink



thelostboy said:
I feel the CS is a little overhyped - it feels a lot closer to the standard M3 than it does the CSL.

For the price difference, a nice M3 with a few chosen mods represents better value, in my opinion.
Totally agree. All the great bits from a CSL are nowhere to be seen. e.g. Carbon, interior, Funky Seats, ducktail and bodywork mods, carbon airbox etc. IMO CS is just a run out model where they cherry picked a few odd bits from the parts bin



Edited by NotNormal on Thursday 27th April 09:15

E90_M3Ross

36,328 posts

231 months

Thursday 27th April 2023
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whp1983 said:
Just so refreshing to look at compared to todays models…. Actual sports coupe as opposed to giant GT car.
I recently had an M4 coupe for 5 days (23 plate) and it was massive compared to my E90 M3!

MDMA .

9,858 posts

120 months

Thursday 27th April 2023
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Nice advert, lovely pictures, can’t put centre caps on correctly. I’m out frown


SS427 Camaro

7,770 posts

189 months

Thursday 27th April 2023
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Over hyped run out model. Buy a base model and mod it.
I owned a 53 plate carbon black manual ( BT53VWE Where Are You Now ?? ) for 5 years. Bought on 149,000 in December 12 for £5,950 and stupidly sold in September 17 on 179,000 for £6,000.
It ran perfectly and used no oil.
It came with a CSL rack already fitted ( the best mod for these cars ) Add Bilsteins, decent springs and Contis and these cars are nigh on perfect. The OE seats are like boat anchors though.

911Spanker

2,895 posts

35 months

Thursday 27th April 2023
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These seem to be cars you buy then pretty much have to chuck £6-10k at them before you can properly enjoy them.

I haven't driven one for a little while but was never hugely impressed. A good all rounder - a 7/10ths car across the board.

cerb4.5lee

39,528 posts

199 months

Thursday 27th April 2023
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MDMA . said:
Nice advert, lovely pictures, can’t put centre caps on correctly. I’m out frown

Silver wheels do look nice versus the sea of black wheels that you get nowadays though I reckon.

bumskins

2,258 posts

34 months

Thursday 27th April 2023
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911Spanker said:
These seem to be cars you buy then pretty much have to chuck £6-10k at them before you can properly enjoy them.

I haven't driven one for a little while but was never hugely impressed. A good all rounder - a 7/10ths car across the board.
Seems to be the case with most things from this era - 996/997 with IMS bearing failures/'bore score' etc, Audi RS models getting 'coked up' and needing their engines effectively rebuilding if unattended to, S65/85-engined cars consuming big-end bearings... I suppose on the plus side once done it's not like you have to spend the next 5 years wondering if the same jobs will need doing.

I've only driven an example with a few modifications (18x10 'square' set up, Ohlins, quick rack, shorter diff ratio) and had no complaints about the way it drove; I didn't want to go out and buy one, but could 100% see the appeal, would have one over a 996 or 997 for the better engine, styling (IMO) and less of an image attached. As for an article extolling the E46, shame they picked an SMG with chav kidney grilles..

Robertb

2,986 posts

257 months

Thursday 27th April 2023
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jackcactii said:
all subframes will eventually die

like rod bearings in other M engines. there are no better model years.

just get the 'big three' done and have many worry-free years of freude am fahren
Whats the other big two with the E46?

1. Subframe mounts
2. ?
3. ?

I drove an SMG demonstrator at launch and was very impressed, and I though it suited the car well. I don't recall the manual I also drove as being a particularly wonderful box that I'd make a special effort to get one.


DaveyBoyWonder

3,324 posts

193 months

Thursday 27th April 2023
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The further away we get from the E46 era, the prettier they seem... That rear quarter view!

E90_M3Ross

36,328 posts

231 months

Thursday 27th April 2023
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Robertb said:
jackcactii said:
all subframes will eventually die

like rod bearings in other M engines. there are no better model years.

just get the 'big three' done and have many worry-free years of freude am fahren
Whats the other big two with the E46?

1. Subframe mounts
2. ?
3. ?

I drove an SMG demonstrator at launch and was very impressed, and I though it suited the car well. I don't recall the manual I also drove as being a particularly wonderful box that I'd make a special effort to get one.
Well he mentioned the rod bearings.....

These aren't a huge job in the grand scheme of things. I had these done plus engine mounts in my E90 for £1350, the E46 would be a bit cheaper. Hardly a ridiculously expensive bill.

Rich255

9 posts

168 months

Thursday 27th April 2023
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I sold my Integrale Evo 1 and replaced it with one of these back in 2012. I wasn’t looking for the same thrills but did want pace, a better soundtrack and a feeling of “connection”. Roll on 11 years and it’s still there in my drive. I haven’t changed much, just and Evolve remap, a K&N and Eibach springs (having had 2 of the factory springs snap). The car is a manual and has been an absolute joy to own and to drive. Yes it’s true that I could’ve bought a standard E46 M3 for less and spent the saving modifying it, but it wouldn’t be a CS then, would it. Also, I doubt that any colour suits the M3 better than Interlagos Blue. Also, I get the rear subframe mounts checked at each service and there’s no sign of any issues to date (76000 miles).

Court_S

14,455 posts

196 months

Thursday 27th April 2023
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E90_M3Ross said:
Robertb said:
jackcactii said:
all subframes will eventually die

like rod bearings in other M engines. there are no better model years.

just get the 'big three' done and have many worry-free years of freude am fahren
Whats the other big two with the E46?

1. Subframe mounts
2. ?
3. ?

I drove an SMG demonstrator at launch and was very impressed, and I though it suited the car well. I don't recall the manual I also drove as being a particularly wonderful box that I'd make a special effort to get one.
Well he mentioned the rod bearings.....

These aren't a huge job in the grand scheme of things. I had these done plus engine mounts in my E90 for £1350, the E46 would be a bit cheaper. Hardly a ridiculously expensive bill.
Isn't the VANOS the other bigger issue requiring a rebuild / refresh?

I think the E46 looks grand in that colour.